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GNS1310
High Card
Joined: 13 Jul 2008
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 Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: Frustrated...advice? |
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I've been playing poker for almost 4 years. I've read books, watched dvds, watch poker all the time on tv, I use online poker courses...and I'm not making money playing. A handful of my friends have seen me play, and they say I'm the best in town.(small town hehe) I have a couple of them on FTP who wont sit at a table I'm on because theyre intimidated. I love the game and have a strong passion for it, but I'm throwing away my money.
I dont know where to go from here. Maybe I need a poker mentor/teacher. Someone to watch my play or study my game and lead me from there. Maybe I play the wrong games. I have only a few hours each night to play, I have a good chunk of time on Thursdays and Sundays.
Can anyone help? I would love poker to be my profession...hit Vegas one day and maybe win a bracelet. Play with the pros. Make my own hours. I've never had a lot of confidence doing other things, but when I play poker, i'm the most confident guy in the world. My best friend says I'm a completely differant guy at the tables, and he cant understand why I'm not doing this for a living. I cant blame luck, I cant blame the bad beats...it must be what im playing or how im playing it.
Is there an inexpensive way to get a tutor/mentor?
Can someone suggest what my next step should be?
Any help is greatly appreciated! |
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guitarguy178
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Joined: 24 Jul 2005
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Location: St. Louis
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Give a poker tracking software a try. It keeps track of all of your hands for you. You can use to figure out where you are losing the most money and winning the most money. You may find out that a certain hand that you thought was the ****, really isn't worth ****. I know it has helped a lot of players on here.
http://www.pokertracker.com |
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HuJwang
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Location: Halifax, NS
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| try just posting hands in the appropriate strategy forums. also try watching videos of other people playing, this is really helpful. |
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pokerhexcom
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Joined: 25 Jul 2008
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| practice, read, observe, learn, play low and move up slowly |
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JazzOne
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Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Location: Texas
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| What kind of games are you playing? Ring games? MTTs? SnGs? What stakes? |
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GNS1310
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Joined: 13 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| JazzOne wrote: |
| What kind of games are you playing? Ring games? MTTs? SnGs? What stakes? |
I play mosly tournaments, low stakes. I try to sit patiently in cash games, 25/50 limit HE, 50/$1 limit HE, but I seem to leave the tables with just about the same amount I started with.
I've just started with PLO, playing only play money and freerolls.
I had 4 tables going the other night, 2 play money PLO and 2 play money HE, came in 4th and 3rd on the PLO and 1st and 2nd on the HE. Yeah, its play money, but I try to play everything seriously and try my best. |
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NilesMonkey
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Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Location: Albany, NY
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| try just posting hands in the appropriate strategy forums. also try watching videos of other people playing, this is really helpful. |
+1
I've read my share of books and all that, and watched just about every epoisode of WPT/WSOP/etc. (got my DVR set up for every Tuesday @ 8). I've learned so much more that all of that stuff combined just by being active in these forums.
Posting hand histories, listening to the criticism/advice, and implementing those ideas in play will help you more than reading a book. I also suggest responding to some HH threads in the strategy forum. You can start off with "I'm no expert, but in my opinion..." What will happen is, people will comment on your comments, and you can get even more insights on your game from a hand you never even played!
Use this forum as an interactive learning tool. It won't let you down. |
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broker89
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Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Just my two cents..but from what ive seen here (and ive played at least 4 hours a day for about two years straight and many, many days of 8 to 12 hours a day, the big money guys win one or two big ones then have the luxury of being a bit wreckless in their play giving them a huge leg up. If you were to check my "stats" you will see that I've lost over $3,000 at tilt. What you won't see is that I won $8,000 at Paradise in one event two years ago and have spent $3,000 playing all of those hours for the next two years. I think that is pretty damn good.
My problem (which may be your problem) is I never pay to play in big events. I got into two of the FTOPS in a row via satellites a few months ago and cashed in both. Again, when I get close to the bubble and just in the money I focus on just earning and not winning. Watch a guy like neonpils99, he will get to say 50th place and you will see him shove all in with 10J suited. He may steal the pot or he may win a lucky hand, but if he gets knocked out he's out 200 bucks. He's won hundreds of thousands this year, does 200 bucks really matter? If you think you have the skills to make a move into the real money, get $10,000 and start playing. Play 100 buck sit and go's, 75 buck mtt's and see how you do. I will really start playing when I lose my chicken **** attitude and start playin to win rather than playin to cash.
Hope this helps.
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Riddim
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Location: Sweden
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Broker,
You can start doing that without a huge roll. You just have to make sure you play stakes low enough that you're not scared of losing. |
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mathman1115
Wizard of Odderation
Joined: 01 Sep 2005
Posts: 3085
Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies
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| broker89 wrote: |
Just my two cents..but from what ive seen here (and ive played at least 4 hours a day for about two years straight and many, many days of 8 to 12 hours a day, the big money guys win one or two big ones then have the luxury of being a bit wreckless in their play giving them a huge leg up. If you were to check my "stats" you will see that I've lost over $3,000 at tilt. What you won't see is that I won $8,000 at Paradise in one event two years ago and have spent $3,000 playing all of those hours for the next two years. I think that is pretty damn good.
My problem (which may be your problem) is I never pay to play in big events. I got into two of the FTOPS in a row via satellites a few months ago and cashed in both. Again, when I get close to the bubble and just in the money I focus on just earning and not winning. Watch a guy like neonpils99, he will get to say 50th place and you will see him shove all in with 10J suited. He may steal the pot or he may win a lucky hand, but if he gets knocked out he's out 200 bucks. He's won hundreds of thousands this year, does 200 bucks really matter? If you think you have the skills to make a move into the real money, get $10,000 and start playing. Play 100 buck sit and go's, 75 buck mtt's and see how you do. I will really start playing when I lose my chicken **** attitude and start playin to win rather than playin to cash.
Hope this helps.
Broker89 |
+1 to what Riddim said. Over the past couple years, i have built up significant dollars in profit as well without playing in the bigger games. And the fact is, i don't need to. Through promotions, bonuses, at playing at the levels i'm at, my bankroll has steadily increased, so why mess with that? Well, sure, if i raise my stakes so to speak, i can win more, but i can also lose more. When going to higher stakes, losses are much more memorable than wins (you've seen Rounders i'm sure). Why work hard for 3 weeks grinding out $300 and then blow it all on one tournament where variance can get you.
My point is, i don't think the bigger games is the answer when your bankroll hits a wall. I am a believer in change when it comes to poker. It's like a baseball team with a struggling offense. When they struggle, the manager makes a change to the lineup in hopes to get things going. You can even compare it to weighlifting. Generally, after an extended period of time of working out regularly, your muscles hit a wall (ie don't get stronger or can't lift more weight), so you change your routine to wake them up again.
You say you sit patiently at limit games. Try some aggression or play just a tad looser. If anyone has notes on you that you're tight and don't play many hands, you'll confuse the hell out of them.
You say you play MTTs. Try some SnGs for a change of pace. You can play SnGs of all kind of variety on fulltilt, as little as heads up and as many as 180 man depending what levels you want to play.
Do you play games other than holdem? If you know enough about a different game, play that for a little while.
I'm not saying jump into something cluelessly that you've never played before, but take a look at your game strengths and see if you can apply them to a different poker atmosphere. |
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