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Ganeshai · Pair Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 39 Location: Manchester Uk

180 MTT $2 NL TE

The situation;

Just moved to a new table and out of position.

Blinds 75/150. 9 player table

My stack $7500 chips

Me 55 early pos

Utg flat calls, I figure this may hold the action down as this tight player may be holding AA or KK and waiting for a re rs

I flat call with my 55 to see what happens with the action.

All action folds round to the button who flat calls

sb folds

bb with $3755 chips pushes all in

I was waiting for this... I figure if the utg player folds i will call this as i think hes trying a squeeze and the bb doesn't want a call.

utg folds i call instantly, button folds, bb shows 44 dominated by my 55

Turns out my instinct was bang on, i was right, but he turns a 4 and the chips move over to him much to my dismay.

What do you think of this play?

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8176 Location: Sweden

Moved to MTT forum. Your first call pre is fine, your call of the all-in is pretty terrible. You're just going to be flipping or crushed such a large majority of the time here and the odds you're getting aren't nearly good enough to make up for that.

PBS-S · Two Pair Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 58

I agree with Riddim. Even if you were sure about it being a squeeze play, you're still flipping against the vast majority of his range.

Ganeshai · Pair Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 39 Location: Manchester Uk

Figures, i felt i had such a good read that after the utg folded i was definitely going to call if the utg had rsd or even entered the hand i knew i would be dead so i would have folded but his fold determined what i was going to do and i also expected the button to fold which he did, and it turned out my read at that moment was spot on, i expected it to be at the most a coin flip, what i expected from that play was a 89o, when i saw his 44 i thought that was even better a 4/1 dog.

But what your saying is even if this was the correct read, it just wasn't worth it?
What would have been the precise pot odds to call the bet and what is the cut off in your opinions?

JazzOne · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:

You also have to consider the active player behind you. He might have limped with a medium pair and then decided to overcall. I don't think that's a good play, but it wouldn't surprise me to see someone do it. Combine that with the fact that the villain just might be value betting a medium to big pair himself, I think you shouldn't risk it. The value of the squeeze play is that you can't be sure if he's making a move or simply protecting what he thinks is the best hand (ie, TT, JJ).

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8176 Location: Sweden

Oh and btw, his shove isn't a squeeze. Nobody raised before him.

JazzOne · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject:

bingy1990 · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject:

Yeah i like a call with AK or maybe 99+ but not much else. Even if he is squeezing (and yes alot of the time he is) you can't call with 55. If the guy flips over 6-9o, hes 50-50 to win the pot. Save your chips for a better time to push.

sig1561 · Straight Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 116

Plus your M value was 33. So there was no pressure to take even a 50-50 chance. Ever. Patience, sir. Patience.

Don't think we're siding with the PP4 guy pushing allin. 'Cause I'm not sure he needed to take a chance either seeing as he took you out. But if a donk makes a donk move, let him have the blinds. You'll catch him later.

Siggy

folsomdude · High Card Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 5

you say you just moved to the table and then you go on to say that utg is a tight player, how do you know this?
as to calling half your stack with 55 i agree with everyone else

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