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I'm questioning my PF call here because of the situation I'm in on the flop. The villian is almost always potting this flop as a c-bet regardless of what hits, and I'm sitting here with a pair of 3's, an Ace, and a r/r low draw. I'm getting almost 4:1 odds, and I think I may have to call.

Any thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker Game #7239064953: $10 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go (55033362), Table 1 - 40/80 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 21:44:20 ET - 2008/07/15
Seat 1: cubbies760 (2,180)
Seat 2: kid74k (820)
cubbies760 posts the small blind of 40
kid74k posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cubbies760 [3h Ah 8h 3c]
cubbies760 raises to 160
kid74k raises to 480
cubbies760 calls 320
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ks 2h]
kid74k bets 340, and is all in
cubbies760 ???

Zophar · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:10 am Post subject:

I'd call OTF. I don't like open raising this as much vs. a short stack though PF as you end up having to get it AI often when there's action. And it's really not that strong.

cardfish2 · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:47 am Post subject:

You should have folded or re-raised pre flop. I see this a lot in O8 SnGs. You have basically pot committed yourself with the call. There are very few flops that would not either hit you or give you hope for improvement.

As played you have to call the all in.

Loopholes202 · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject:

I would have folded this particular hand preflop, but as cardfish2 said, as played, you have to call the all in. But still, you are probably going to lose this one.

RunnerJohn · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject:

Can someone help me here?

You need runner runner for a low hand
You need runner runner for a straight (but the wheel could scoop)
You need runner runner for a flush

This hand can't win as it is and there isn't a single card I can see that would help.

Why isn't this a good place to fold?

cardfish2 · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject:

You are assuming he needs a straight or flush to win the high. His opponent could be on a stone cold bluff or a draw or maybe he has a small pocket pair. A short stack is almost always going to c-bet the rest of his chips no matter what flops. I just don't see a fold being an option.

As stated earlier though, he should have folded or raised pre flop so he doesn't have a decision like this to make.

sixandfour · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:25 am Post subject:

The shortstack is making that bet every time here. He's as committed to this pot as you are. Yes, you should either fold or raise PF, but it really doesn't make much difference if you were to get them in PF or on the flop, provided you understood there was no folding in this spot. But the range of what wins the high here is waaay bigger than just straight or better. We're talking HU with a pot committed shorty here. Hitting your ace might be enough.

Pil Sung · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject:

What were your thoughts on the guy? Is this someone that you could let get even and still beat? Or do you not want him to have chips?

That's what's going through my mind when I read this. If you feel you could beat him anyway, sure. Besides, FT is known for runner runner flushes... Rolling Eyes

JINGOisME · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject:

Rewind to this being a HU game. Some replies so far looks like they might not have noticed?

I'd say thats a pretty easy call, since you are already in the position you are in. Folding pre-flop was the way to go. I hate having a 3 suited hand in omaha. Actually, folding wasn't the way to go. It is high/low too. You might as well just reraised all in preflop. Because the amount of chips is making you pot commited to call anything on the flop. Not even the 4:1 on the money, but the chance to be knocking him out and winning the tourny. Much more valuable.

He can have anything, if he makes this flop pot bet most hands as well. I'd say you are like 40%+ to have the best hand as it is with a pair of 3s. They can easilly have some random Ax10v2y4v hand. Would be an explination to the way they are playing the hand. A lot of people will go all in or get pot commited on a low drawing hand in hi/lo. With his amount of chips left at the start of the hand, maybe it was time to make the gamble and get in with a low posi and hope to hit something high and double. Once the flop came, they are in the same situation as you except for they are the one making the bet, making you be the one to have to think.

I say make the call, because you have the best hand or arent that bad off with the odds, then get out drawn on by the under dog to double him up on a running flush or something.

Results?

Strasse · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject:

Lol at the reply that says you most likely have the best hand. Just lol. You still have to call though. Next time I'd say fold PF, you hand has horrible value for the high part of the pot.

cubbies760 · Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject:

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