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Turniphead89 · Pair Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 25

It shows one player flopping a flush.

The other player rivers quad 2's.

MarkGreb · Message Board Junkie Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 1290

Turniphead89 · Pair Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 25

He went all in with a pair of 2's.

The other player called who flopped a flush.

He then turns and rivers quad 2's.

LostOstrich · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject:

No, he shoved with trip 2s.

But anyway, who cares. If one-outers never happened, the server would be rigged.

Raulsta · High Card Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 5

Ok thats it, i've finally had enough of full tilt poker and their horrendous suck-outs just was on a final table and the guy shoves with 6-7 os, i think (this guys been shoving quite a lot) then i make the call with j-j, what happens next? he hits a runner runner straight...... i know this happens in poker but that was the 4th time in the game i got my money in with the best hand and a straight was hit. i am going to cash out of full tilt and i was wondering if any other players on here knew of a proper online site that deals fair cards, and by that i mean realistic flops so that the odds are more realistic, none of this rubbish on here to increase the amount of rake for the site. it's a shame though, i love the way this site is laid out and easy to navigate etc, the only bad thing is how the cards come down to usually cripple the player who makes the right move and benefit the fish One day i hope their sussed out and dealt with in the appropriate manner. Once again if any one does know any good sites it would be much appreciated, Many thanks.

Raulsta

fletch_smf · Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:31 am Post subject:

Seriously dude, get yourself a tracking program, put your hand histories in there and see if you can find anything out of the ordinary. Tens of thousands of people play here and a great many of those keep a track of their hands. No-one has ever posted the proof that they are statistcally being beaten more times then they should be.

trekk · Pair Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 50

dixiedooh · Pair Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 21

to all the crybabies people with big huge conspiracy theories who chimed in on the "collusion" thread before it was closed down, and to the many moderators who love to play god by saying a thread four pages long is too long (look at this thread!!!).....maybe you should read the following:

First thing we want to know is if it is profitable to collude in online poker. After all, one player has to pay a small blind and a big blind, every time the button passes; two players have to pay twice as much and nine player have to pay nine time as much, just to see the first two cards. So, if a player is colluding with nine different screen names against one sucker, he will have to pay a lot of blinds just to see the first two cards - and most of the times the sucker may just fold, without paying any blinds at all. So now the colluding beast with nine heads has to pretend to play out a round, by pouring more money into the pot, just to make it look right. And at the end the "winner" will have to toss some of the "winnings" down the drain, just to pay the house rake. But couldn't the colluding beast with nine heads just fold the nine hands, pre-flop and save some money that way? Not really.

In a live poker game, yes, nine colluders could just fold whenever the fish fails to bite. But in an online poker game it's not that simple. There are other things to consider.

Poker sites claim to monitor their games and look for signs of collusion. There is no reason to doubt that. So, with this in mind, how would it look for the beast with nine heads to fold, if the player on the button had a monster pocket pair, and the small blind had A-K suited, and the big blind had a fat callable hand? And how would it look if the remaining players folded on the flop, if they all caught a big piece of it? Aha, so now we see the first difference between live poker collusion and online poker collusion. In a live poker game no one, except the player, will ever see what someone may have folded. But online poker games are monitored. It should be safe to assume that if the sites are really monitored, bad folds like that should raise some eyebrows. So, right off the bat we see how online collusion may be a lot more expensive than live collusion. Not to mention the fact that most poker players that attempt collusion are not really all that good at it, so colluding actually ends up costing money, if you don't know what you are doing.

But all this doesn't answer the first question. Do any poker players collude in online poker room, yes or no? Of course they do. But the real question is, how successful are they?

Unless we have real statistical factual information, here is where we can only make logical conclusions. First of all, there is nothing special about a bunch of guys that play, or (try to) cheat, on online poker sites. Playing poker, or cheating, is like any other skill. So, what am I getting at? Simple! Most people suck! That's right, most guitar players are not virtuosos, most artists paint like chicken scratch, most students are not at the top of their class, most web sites are badly designed, and most poker players don't know what-da they're doing. This undeniable fact leads us to the one and only logical conclusion: yes, people do try to collude at online poker, but most of them suck and most of them end up losing more money than they would by playing normally. But this is not to say that some of the bad collusion doesn't end up hurting some of the square players. After all, there is just one party involved that never loses at the online poker games, and that is the poker site itself. At the end of the day, collusion or not, they end up collecting their rake. And also, even if you believe that most of the colluders suck, you should not dismiss the possibility that somewhere out there in cyber space, there are some colluders who actually know what they are doing.

A lot of bad poker players end up losing a lot of money by bluffing too much. For bluffing to be profitable a good poker player must wait for the right opportunities. One may even say that a good poker player will only bluff when there doesn't seem to be any other way to win a pot he is certain of winning only by bluffing. Why I bring this up?

Well, some of the collusion techniques are a lot like bluffing. If two players are trying to push a third player out of a pot, by raising and re-raising, they are in essence bluffing. But if a pair (or a team) of bad colluders are relying to heavily on this technique they will get burned. Good colluders, by contrast, will only resort to this technique when the time is just right. In a rigged game, a bluff raise (following a bluff bet) may be very powerful against a weak mark if the colluders know in advance that it will be followed by a bluff call. In a square game, however, the situation may be very different because a player that is considering to bluff doesn't know how some of the follow-up action will unfold. But in a rigged game, a mark that knows he doesn't have too strong of a hand may be scared of the caller, more so than of the aggressor

shortydog67 · High Card Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 1

I think someone needs to investigate this ridiculous site.

trekk · Pair Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 50

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