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bingy1990 · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:36 am Post subject:

I'm doing well at the low-stakes these past few days, bumped up my bankroll about 20% using the Ferguson method. Theres alot of weak players down there and many calling stations, if you keep your head and don't tilt turning $50 into $100 safely is very easy.

tjb111 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 885

ok.. i posted here earlier..and decided not to wait for replies.. just go right into it after giving my mate the rest of my cash

private freeroll = 25$

played.10/.25 and 2$ SNG to build it up to 58.45$ so far (want to get it to 70$ by end of day)

the reason why i played .10/.25 is that at the 9 person table...people play INCREDIBLY TIGHT, and if you play INCREDIBLY TIGHT, you can work off a 2-4$ bluff per table easy enough.. and u may be lucky to have people call your premium hands (but in a tight table...not usually)

in a .05/.10 game... you probably WILL NOT get those bluffs in (less stakes, more loose) and the 2-4$ bluff turns into a .5/1$ bluff...which ISNT worth the money

(note..if u guys look me up and see how well ive been doing for this month...i had ALOT of debts to pay off from March..)

EDIT #1: hit 73$ thanks to my AJ (suited..flush draw.. pair Aces b4 u say anything) against A6 .... ty random noob who thought a A6 was a good all-in hand post flop

EDIT #2 80$ plus 1st in SNG now Smile

EDIT #3 lost a 20$ hand with 77 pre-flop against A10..flop hit A , but won a 26$ pot with JK against A7 postflop with J 2 2 on flop...noob bluffer. I GOT 86$ plus first in a SNG

EDIT #4 CRASHED...went to 45$ and gave 20 to mate to hold on to... 25 left .... .25/.50 hu

EDIT #5 BACK!!! after shaky entrances (actually went to 10 bucks and had to battle back) i got up to 78.30 plus the 20 my mate is holding on to!!

CRISALIS · High Card Joined: 08 Jun 2008 Posts: 6

fun101rockets · High Card Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 6

I got 50 dollars from pokerstrategy.com and played LAG.
The $50 quickly became $6
I 9 tabled the $2.25 sit and gos and my ROI is 10%.
I also played cash games (NL10) always buying in for the maximum
I learned how to play better poker and have made this $6 into over $320

tehchipdonk · Two Pair Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 71

i flipped the free $50 from pokerstragegy to $1k, of course those aren't all from poker profits, most of it comes from rakeback since i grind 13 tables at nl25 sometime nl50

lam8chop · High Card Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 8

Try playing a different site to this one, that would be a start. They give rakeback to some and not others, they give you good starting hands then pay off the underdog to get more rake , where do you think all the sponsorship money comes from? full tilt ? this site puts me on full tilt!!!

TheGnomeBank · Straight Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 104

It's interesting how 90% of these posts are from the supposed winners and so very few from the millions of losers out there. Makes it sound great and appealing for all the novices out there.

Here's how I see it. Building a bankroll at low stakes appears to be almost impossible. Poker "works" generally because everyone is expected to behave in a certain way. You're expected to understand the basic strategy and the concept of pot odds and, everything being equal, you should be able to play tight and see your bankroll slowly and gently grow over time. Unfortunately things just aren't equal. Poker science, strategy and all the books, lessons and training material rely on 2 key facts. 1. That the cards are truly random so odds and percentages really reflect reality, and 2. That people generally conform largely to the same set of behaviours (give or take a few acceptable stone cold bluffs etc).

I have learned to play tight, wait for premium hands and try to make the most of them when they do come. I have seen my bank roll grow slowly and steadily using this strategy. However, it is SLOW and STEADY. There are no big fast wins to be had long term.

Now if this were all that was involved I'd be happily making that slow steady profit along with my rakeback. Sadly it isn't.

FT is riddled with stupid set up hands that get thrown in periodically about every 30 hands or so. These hands deliver NUT winning hands to players either once the flop has been reveled or after the turn. With your steady strategy you obviously bet these hands out hoping to catch poor players following less than premium hands. Those players call and FT inevitably then delivers their 1-8 outs hand on the river taking a MASSIVE chunk out of the bankroll you'd been steadily building for the past 100 hands. You simply CAN NOT lay down these hands which are NUTS before the river. I'm not talking about crappy top 2 pairs here I'm taking NUT Flushes or top straights that by the turn card are unbeatable. FT kills you every time by delivering miracles to the underdog.
It generates increased rake of course by building bigger pots but it totally screws the game of poker and it totally screws all of the accepted strategies, teachings, and basic concepts. The cards have to be truly random for all that to work and the minute the cards are not, everything goes out the window.

I am totally sick of playing tight and steady and having all my profits busted by these stupid FT set up hands. It absolutely ruins the game.
Someone else said "this isn't poker, it's a game of luck presented in a poker format". He was absolutely right.

For those itching to respond with theories that these are just bad beats or that my poker just sucks, save it. I do get my share of miracle rivers every now and then but I don't get them when there is another NUT hand involved and thus I don't earn a great pot when I get the miracle, but I lose big time when the set hand delivers me the NUTS before the river.
True cards would average out and I'd be able to take the ups with the downs. That doesn't happen.

At this stage I have to conclude that winning online poker should be very possible but it relies totally on fair cards and no stupid set hand dealing to generate rake.

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eastwoodo4 · Pair Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 22

if u cant do it on the play tables u cant do it on the real money tables.i say go try and get 500000 play chips so u can play the 500000 play tourny.it pays real cash.the play tables r the same program as the real money tables.

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