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ThePhoenix78 · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:05 am Post subject:

I also didn't think the villain played the hand THAT badly. I probably raise preflop in his spot, but early on a SnG, it's more important to preserve chips, and if he reasons that's a $2 game and only the third hand and thus can't easily predict how many calls he'll get, a check isn't unreasonable.

Now, on that flop, he has to figure he's good, unless somebody has 66. The SB could have a 2, but unlikely any of the limpers has a 2 (though A2 would have to be kept in mind, and not just because I know that was your holding, but because A2, especially suited, is a hand some people will limp in with). So all in all, he should feel pretty good about his hand. But it's vulnerable to draws and to overcards, so he needs to bet out with so many in the pot. I think 90 is too small, but I wouldn't say it's horrible. It's enough that if he get raised, he can be pretty sure he needs to proceed with caution on later streets. I would have bet something like 120 myself. So yeah, I think his bet is too small, but not atrocious.

Once somebody calls, and then somebody raises, he has to worry somebody has a set or maybe even 66. But I personally think you made a mistake only raising 3x after a bet and call. You didn't really deny the odds to somebody drawing to a flush, once you factor in implied odds. From his perspective, he might have been worried about the action after his bet, but also reasoned "hey, this is a $2 SnG, people will overplay top pair or make bad plays with just draws or A high" and figured his hand was still good. He's not super sure, so he calls. He checks what shouldn't be a scare card on the turn, now probably hoping he can try to check it down. You bet out. Yes, now something like A2 should be running through his mind. Seems like a strong bet if you have a boat, you'd want to bet smaller to encourage somebody to draw to a flush. So A2 is really the only hand I'd worry about. Only 8 ways to deal that though. I guess at the $2 level, if I'm the villain, I might worry about other hands with a 2, because people are bad enough to limp with any two suited cards. Still though, even at this level, people aren't often limping with 2s in their hand. So as others have said, I am not necessarily putting you on a 2 and I would still think that your bet might be something like A6 or 76 or medium PP that haven't filled up.

Given that it's early in the SnG and you have shown strength, I think folding TT in his spot to your turn bet is not a bad play and it's the safe thing to do. I might fold myself. But I don't think the call is atrocious, given that from his perspective, people are maniacs at the $2 level and thus could be playing weaker hands than TT as strongly as you've played it.

Now he hits his miracle T on the river and the rest is academic.

I don't mind your limp with A2 preflop thaaaat much, but would still rather see a fold. And I think your flop raise was too weak. I'd say, overall, nobody played the hand atrociously, but moves on both sides could be questioned, so you really shouldn't be arrogant and laugh at how he played it. Take a look in the mirror.

ThePhoenix78 · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:07 am Post subject:

Oh, and Harrington's advice largely applies to MTTs, though there is some overlap. Raising 4-5x with TT OOP after a few limpers is probably best in a deep-stacked MTT, and maybe even in the SnG, but as others have pointed out, checking TT in the villain's spot isn't absolutely horrible in light of the ICM considerations that have to be taken into account for SnGs.

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GoldenDomer9 · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject:

A2 play pre flop is worse imo.

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This beat does have some sting to it. However, he did make some big calls. This would have been textbook for an unraised big blind with 2/6 or 2/7.

If you thought you were ahead and were trying to shut down the pot, then you didn't bet enough to convince yourself you were beat when you got a caller.

If you weren't trying to shut down the pot then you took a calculated risk to increase your winnings and it didn't pay off.

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