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drewg22 · Flush Joined: 25 May 2008 Posts: 139

Full Tilt Poker, $5 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 40/80 Blinds, 5 Players
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BTN: 765
SB: 8,125
Hero (BB): 1,510
UTG: 2,410
CO: 690

Pre-Flop: (120) J Spade

J

dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB raises to 225, Hero raises to 1,510 and is All-In, SB calls 1,285

Flop: (3,020) T Club

6

K

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (3,020) 8 Club

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (3,020) 5 Spade

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 3,020 Pot
SB showed K Diamond

K

(three of a kind, Kings) and WON 3,020 (+1,510 NET)
Hero showed J Spade

J

(a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-1,510 NET)

I considered just calling given the size of the other two shorts stacks but figured if I was going to win I needed to double up through the chip leader.

Also, the chip leader had twice before folded to All Ins even after raising. These were not against me in steal situations but in hands where he opened with a raise.

Thoughts?

Wayniac · Forum Pro Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 617

I generally think the insta all in is not a good play, but in this case, since there was a raise in front of you, and any other raise commits your stack, it isn't terrible.

I think you just happened to run into a monster. Part of the game. Plus, given his stack size, it is perfectly reasonable thinking he is just trying to steal the blind and call it a day.

cardfish2 · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:35 am Post subject:

Looks like a pretty crazy table to get down to 5 with the blinds only at 40/80. Given that fact and that I would expect the big stack to be bullying a lot with non premium hands, I think this would be an insta shove.

ThePhoenix78 · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject:

Seems like an easy shove to me. Even against a tight player, JJ is a monster in a blind v. blind situation. He's the big stack and you've sensed he's tried to bully before because he's laid down hands after raising. The vast majority of the time, you win a decent preflop bet uncontested with this play and often you win after he calls with a lower PP or the times you win the race (which you're on the better side of, being roughly 56-57% to win or something like that). Sometimes, you run into AA-QQ, but that's so rare and even then, you win nearly 1/5. I don't like flat calling. Not strong enough to slow play and you'll have a tough decision if he c-bets with one or two overs on the board. And any reasonable re-raise commits you. And a fold is really nitty in my opinion. I don't see another viable option other than pushing.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8148 Location: Sweden

The shove is so standard, but this type of thread title tilts me pretty hard. Bad luck and bad play aren't mutually exclusive by any means and yet people keep acting as if they are.

Wayniac · Forum Pro Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 617

syntactician · Pair Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 39

Certainly a difficult hand to get away from and I'd probably have shoved too. However it sounds like this was your 3rd shove at the big stack. Did you have JJ or better those times? Your chip stack puts you solidly in 3rd, so you're risking an easy $9 for a shot at $13.50. I want very good odds to make that bet and probably wouldn't shove with less than 10-10, AK, or AQ.

is it absurdly conservative to suggest calling and check/folding if any overs come off on the flop?

drewg22 · Flush Joined: 25 May 2008 Posts: 139

drewg22 · Flush Joined: 25 May 2008 Posts: 139

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8148 Location: Sweden

syntactician · Pair Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 39

You're right Drew, "easy $9" was a bit of an exaggeration. Guess I got caught up in making my pitch for the conservative play.

The fact that it was others re-raising the big stack, and not you, makes the all-in a better play.

dcdoorknob · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject:

super-easy shove imo.

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