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SteppeON Guest
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: Limit Hold'Em w/Team Players |
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How can a table with 2 players that are a couple play on a limit table ($2-$5) and they both play every hand (basically see every flop) and seem to win about 85% of the time. It made the table very uneasy about this couple and would out draw a stong hand about all the time and started getting the other players really upset about the game and leave. This has happened 2 weeks in a row and the dealers and table owners haven't done anything about it. I told them I won't play at the table when they are around. Have any one else ran into this type of team playing... If so how did you deal with them. |
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Piney1000 Four of a Kind
Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 300 Location: Crappy State ILL
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| ok email support and give hand histories to them. Thats all you can do and stay away when they play |
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Strasse Forum Ego
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 5115 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Judging by the fact that he mentioned dealers and table owners, I'd venture to guess he's talking about live play. Best advice I can offer is just to play at another table. |
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byamamoto1 Bay Area Bidness
Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2189
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| i've encountered this a few times. fact of the matter it is hard to prove in a live game that they are colluding and not much will be done to prevent this, really. at a local card club, there were three guys sitting at the table, who would cap the betting every street, then fold to one bet on the river, and inevitably that guy would have the winning hand. it was obvious they were playing together but i was able to turn that to my advantage. i'd limp with premium hands and they would cap the betting for me. i would never lead out with my made hands and every street was capped because of their "strategy", and i was able to maximize my profits from that. you just have to make up your mind as to if you're willing to play at the table and adjust your game or just simply get up and leave. |
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Gypsydc Moderator
Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 4412 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Limit Hold'Em w/Team Players |
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| SteppeON wrote: |
How can a table with 2 players that are a couple play on a limit table ($2-$5) and they both play every hand (basically see every flop) and seem to win about 85% of the time. It made the table very uneasy about this couple and would out draw a stong hand about all the time and started getting the other players really upset about the game and leave. This has happened 2 weeks in a row and the dealers and table owners haven't done anything about it. I told them I won't play at the table when they are around. Have any one else ran into this type of team playing... If so how did you deal with them. |
I highly doubt they've unraveled some unbeatable strategy...they're more than likely just playing to play and they like to be at the same table. I wouldn't worry about it, I've been at plenty of tables where people know eachother and haven't had a problem with it. |
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Hubba_Rocks Straight
Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 101
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| If I'm at live cardroom aand am sitting with a friend at the same table, we don't have any strategy, we just don't get mixed up in hands heads up. I remember in 3 days, maybe 18 hours at the same table, only one hand did we go heads up, and that was when I had quad aces and he had aces over queens. Even then we kept the pot at like $50. If we wanted to take each others money we could have stayed at home. |
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hubert123 High Card
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| last card player mag..pro won 83000 tournment //had 2 other conputers//got caught /had to give it back//////////lotsa players on other phone withbuddies in same game/////poker boss says they can catch them |
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mistaken69 Banned
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 1699 Location: taking up smoking
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| Hubba_Rocks wrote: |
| If I'm at live cardroom aand am sitting with a friend at the same table, we don't have any strategy, we just don't get mixed up in hands heads up. I remember in 3 days, maybe 18 hours at the same table, only one hand did we go heads up, and that was when I had quad aces and he had aces over queens. Even then we kept the pot at like $50. If we wanted to take each others money we could have stayed at home. |
stiiiilllllllllllllll.....
poker is a cutthroat gaem at at one time or another you are bound to tangle in a big pot...you can't softplay him because he is your freind...IMO if you are afraid to take his money..then you should not be sitting at the same table as him. |
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CrazyJoeDavola Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 393
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, me & a friend agreed to slit each others' throat if it comes down to it, poker's a bloody game. Besides, if they're a true friend you can laugh about it over a few brews
Especially in a tournament setting. |
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Cobra69 Flush
Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 146
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| was this couple doing anything like passing signals or reraising each other to push other hands out when they held nothing? IMO if you play alot of live play at some point in time you're going to play with people you know or run into tables were people know each other fairly well, especially if you play at a small card room with regular players. My advice, if you honestly think they're coluding, then take it up with the cardroom manager, if it's driving people away from the game I'm sure he'll do something eventually. If they're just 2 people who want to sit at the same table then they aren't doing anything wrong then your observation that they seem to win alot of hands is pure coincidence. |
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AmplifiedSAE Two Pair
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 67
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I was in a B & M game once when two players who obviously knew each other (arrived together) sat down @ my table. For some reason I immediately got a feeling that they were up to something or could possibly be exchanging information. At first, I thought I was just paranoid. However, a hand came up where one of them looked @ his hole cards cards, tapped his fingers twice quickly on his cards, and looked @ his friend out of the corner of his eye. No one seemed to notice this except me since low-limit games have players that don't observe much of the game.
Anyways, I looked @ the guy who tapped his fingers for about a minute straight and I could tell through his body language that he knew that I was on to him. After that, no such signals happened again and the two ended up leaving after about 2 more rotations.
So, I my advice would be to straight up call people out. If you legitmately believe some sort of cheating to be going on, be blunt about it. I was non-verbal in dealing w/ those cheaters, but I wouldn't have been afraid to get vocal if it continued. |
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Gothalay High Card
Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Mobile Bay
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Brunson, Slim, Binnion and Pugnose (and a few others) ran this scam for years.
They didn't get run out of Texas for winning they were run out for getting caught cheating. |
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OldBitByter Guest
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:35 am Post subject: Table Buddies |
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| Our local club had a couple come in trying that. The only problem they had was they got their signals crossed, one of them was drinking. After two different nights, the manager just put told them they had to sit at seperate tables. They never came back. |
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deadmoney314 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: grunching through reply posts
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| Gothalay wrote: |
Brunson, Slim, Binnion and Pugnose (and a few others) ran this scam for years.
They didn't get run out of Texas for winning they were run out for getting caught cheating. |
What authority do you have on the subject? My guess is none for making such a bold statement.
I heard Gothalay was trying to run this scam for years (and a few others) but they were such -terrible- poker players (one didn't even know that a flush beat a str8) that they lost anyway. When they were discovered cheating, they subsequently got their butts kicked.
Notice how unsupported statements are easy to sling out |
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