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auburnman05 · High Card Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 9

Ok I was playing yesterday morning and ran into these situations. Is there anyway I could have gotten away from these hands. I was playing .10/.25 NL ring game.

First hand: I am in the small blind and am dealt pocket 9s. A player in middle position raises 3x the big blind. I am the only caller, The flop comes A K 9 rainbow. I check he bets out a small amount and I call. The next card was a spade putting two spades on the board. So i bet out 2/3 the pot and he raises and I call. The river comes rag and I bet out again and he pushes all in. I call and he flips over pocket kings. Lost about 23 dollars that hand.

Second Hand: I am in early position with A 10. I just call the big blind wanting to see a flop but planning on fold if their is a raise. No one raises and the flop come 10 K 10. I check and so does everyone else. The turn comes ace. I bet out and I get raised by the guy on the button. I just call. River comes rag. I check, he bets, I raise, he goes all in. I call and he flips over pocket kings to give him a better full house. I lose 29 dollars.

Third hand: I am in late position and am dealt A Q. I raise 3.5x the big blind to get rid of all the limpers and I get one call. The flop comes A Q Q. I check and other player checks. Turn comes and I bet he raises, I raise, he goes all in and I call. Yep, you guessed it, he had the rockets. I lose 20 dollars.

Oh yeah and all this happened in a 10 minute span. First hand is set over set, nothing too unbelievable, but the next two hands what are those guys doing trying to limp in with those hands. I couldn't believe my luck. My question is: Was there any possible way to get away from those hands?

frequenicity · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:53 am Post subject:

I'll keep it short.

Nope. If you start laying down trips or full houses because you are afraid of HIGHER trips or full houses (except in the rare case where you have a phenominal read on someon) you will ultimately be playing a losing game.

GxHxOxSxT · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:02 am Post subject:

In the first scenario, you were destined to lose. In his books, Dan Harrinton tells us that the chances of someone flopping a higher set when you have a set are so minescule that you should never worry about it. Unfortunately for you, it does happen, but very infrequently.

The other two cases are very similar to each other so I am going to give you the one piece of advice for both of them; the same advice that I give players over and over again: BOARD IS PAIRED, BE SCARED! In both of those cases you were playing your cards without any consideration as to what the other player had. In both cases you had the second nuts. You should have recognized that and slowed down a little bit (it is afterall your money). Even Donks can flop monster hands; slow down and think it out. All good players change up their game from time to time, just limping with AA and KK to put smart/aggresive players off their game (it has happened to me more often than I'd like to admit in a public forum).

Anytime another player puts all his chips in the pot, take an extra few seconds to think things through; it can same you a lot of money. Also, don't put your opponent on a single hand, always pick several hands that he may be on and play accordingly.

Ghost

frequenicity · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:19 am Post subject:

I semi-agree with Ghost about the second hand. However, I really don't think you can get away from the third one except to just check call his bets. Even then you are most likely going to be comitting all of your chips on the river anyway. With the second hand there were only 4 hands that were beating you (3 ways for KK, one way for AA), and in the third situation only one hand (only one possible combination for AA) was beating you. Where I fail to agree with Ghost is that an aggressive player in the second hand could have made the same play with K10, J10, or even 10rag considering the limping. So as I see it, there was no way to get away from hands 1 and 3, barring extreme circumstances...and it would take some serious thought to lay down hand two. Good thing FTP has a time clock....oh wait.....they don't.

goomlah · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: I'll make this even simpler.

You're going to win more pots than not when you flip over those hands, and no, you couldn't fold any one of those hands.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject:

That's some stanky-ass bad luck. Shee-it!

I'm surprised you still play poker.

I've lost to a higher set once, maybe twice since I started playing on FTP in the summer of '04. Same goes for full houses.

GxHxOxSxT · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: Re:

frequenicity · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject:

Also, I might add...

When the board is paired, you DO need to be cautious. However, our friend here was facing a paired board that MADE his full house....that's just a really bad situation. If I took the 3 of those beats in a relatively short period, I would just walk away from my computer for a few days.

GxHxOxSxT · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: Re:

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

Ghost, are you seriously saying that you think he needs to slow down and stop betting his full house so hard? No way! You bet your boat like it's the nuts (unless you're playing omaha) and if you lose, you're just extremely unlucky. You simply can't be scared of bigger boats - especially when people often make moves like that when they simply have trips.

matt2411 · Royal Flush Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 559

no, you played that fine.

you have to be willing to die with a set unless a flush or a straight hits. Ive laid down ONE set because i knew i was up against a higher set. Out of the 150k hands ive played now thats the only time i was absolutely sure what i was up against.

hand went like this i have 55.

flop comes 257. I check, he bets, i think for a min and call (was thinking of raising but checkraising i dont like in this situation and i dont like betting, could scare him off, i want a card to come out that COULD help him if he has AK, AQ etc.

turn comes a T. i bet about 3/4 the pot. he smooth calls, that sends of warning bells in my head. He would have only raised preflop with TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK , AQ. if he had AK or AQ he would have folded to that bet, and if he had AA or KK he would have raised (probably would have raised with QQ also, maybe even JJ but i dont overthink so i just eliminated AA/KK until i got more information). So now he could only have TT, JJ, QQ.

river comes a Q.

Now i can only beat JJ. everything other likely holding can beat me. But i bet, so he cant just bet it for me and take it away. He pushes for an additional 120. I think for a good 25 seconds right before i am autofolded, and i show and fold my 5s. Pretty sure that he had TT or QQ. sure as crap he flipped over TT.

moral of this story, if you aren't 100% certain he has a few sets of Hole cards, and all but maybe 1 can beat you, you have to continue.

ive had the inkling that i was in for set over set before, but never folded and made them show me the higher set. 99.99999% of the time you cant fold a set because you think he might have a higher set.

auburnman05 · High Card Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 9

Well thanks for the opinions guys, I appreciate it. Jaconda is right, why the hell am I still playing poker? Well i deposited 300 a couple days ago and after that 70 dollar swing and a couple other suckouts and bad plays on my part i am reduced to just over 100 so I withdrew and am going to take some time off. I think yall would understand after the hands I already mentioned above. So I will see you guys in a few months.

GxHxOxSxT · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: Re:

_Xceptional · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject:

Of course you can't fold these hands, what a silly question. Please people, stop posting situations that are obvious . . . you're talking about folding fullhouses and sets...c'mon, it's 25NL.

I don't think there's a situation in 25NL in which I'm ever thinking about folding the 2nd nut full house . . . folding this hand is by far a -EV play in the long run. To tell him to slow down is purely results oriented, and that's why I hate when people post hand histories like this, you're not going to get any worthy advice with a post like this. It's simple dude, obviously you're not folding in those situations, you're way pot committed, and you have the 2nd nuts . . . good lord.

comin4you · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject:

Like everyone said, good playing, bad luck. I don't think there are too many people in the world who would have been able to get away from any of those hands. Set over set simply sucks, but it happens. Same for boat over boat. Thankfuly I have not been in too many of those situations. One time when I was I managed to suck out the fourth 9 on the turn v. set of aces. Phew.

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