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Flying_Kiwi
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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: 3x more Limit HE line checks |
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Hand 1: Do you think I could've got more value here by trying a different line? IE betting out turn or flat calling and betting river? This was 2nd hand at the table, but by the end of the session had worked out villain is TAG & one of the better players at the table.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Pre-Flop: K K dealt to LHEn00b (SB)
5 folds, LHEn00b raises, BB calls
Flop: (4 SB) K 3 5 (2 Players)
LHEn00b bets, BB raises, LHEn00b calls
Turn: (4 BB) J (2 Players)
LHEn00b checks, BB bets, LHEn00b raises, BB folds
Hand 2: How do we continue on the flop? No reads.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Pre-Flop: T T dealt to LHEn00b (CO)
3 folds, MP2 calls, LHEn00b raises, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, MP2 folds, LHEn00b calls
Flop: (7.4 SB) 6 K 4 (2 Players)
BB bets, Hero ???
Hand 3:
UTG+1 = villain from hand 1.
UTG+2 =not many hands but seems like a loose-passive.
Should I be slowing down here on the turn/river? I felt it was a bit passive, but after the flop action I thought I could easily be up against a set/2pair (and obv. one of them on the FD).
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Pre-Flop: J A dealt to LHEn00b (UTG)
LHEn00b calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, BB checks
Flop: (5 SB) 6 3 J (5 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, LHEn00b bets, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, LHEn00b 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, UTG+2 calls, LHEn00b calls
Turn: (8.5 BB) 2 (3 Players)
LHEn00b checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, LHEn00b calls
River: (11.5 BB) 9 (3 Players)
LHEn00b checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks |
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mathman1115
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hand 1: Good line imo. Some may argue to check the flop and slowplay. But head up your opponent expects you to bet, so thats what you should do. If he just calls the flop, i like to check the turn and look weak. If he folds, you probably weren't making much anyway. With his raise on the flop, you played it perfect imo.
Hand 2: Yeah, i hate these situations. With a PF limper, then your raise, i doubt he's three betting a weak holding out of position here. With a K on the flop, you really only crush 99 and an AQ can still suckout. Every thing else dominates you. I also doubt you could get him to fold a JJ or QQ, so i probably just fold.
Hand 3: With a cap on the flop and another player hanging around, i probably slow down on the turn as you did. Perhaps the capper will bet the turn and the UTG+2 will raise, which can give you a good reason to fold and save some money. As played, with the river not completing any draws, checking is good since you won't get a busted draw to call a bet anyway, not to mention you may induce a bluff. I suppose you may have missed a bet here with a weaker J, but i can live with that after the cap on the flop |
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wiggles091
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Hand 1: Well played.
Hand 2: There are 8 small bets in the pot after the BB bets so folding here is really weak. You cant just fold everytime an overcard flops and the BB c-bets. I would raise here. If he three bets you can make a fairly safe fold, and if he calls you can bet the turn for value.
Hand 3: Im a 6 max player where open limping is horrible almost everytime so I would raise preflop, but im not totally sure about full ring. On the flop i would call and check-raise a non club turn. |
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mathman1115
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Hand 2: There are 8 small bets in the pot after the BB bets so folding here is really weak. You cant just fold everytime an overcard flops and the BB c-bets. I would raise here. If he three bets you can make a fairly safe fold, and if he calls you can bet the turn for value.
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you're not folding simply because there is an overcard. You should fold because there is nothing you can beat here. If you raise and he calls, you're beat. Not exactly a value bet on the turn. |
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wiggles091
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hand 2: There are 8 small bets in the pot after the BB bets so folding here is really weak. You cant just fold everytime an overcard flops and the BB c-bets. I would raise here. If he three bets you can make a fairly safe fold, and if he calls you can bet the turn for value.
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you're not folding simply because there is an overcard. You should fold because there is nothing you can beat here. If you raise and he calls, you're beat. Not exactly a value bet on the turn. |
You have 48% equity against 88+, AJ+ and you want to fold getting 8-1? His range in reality is bigger than that. Even if you add KQ which is another hand that beats you, you still have 43% equity. Its almost a coinflip and your want to fold getting 8-1? Out of the three possible plays, call raise and fold, folding is the worst. |
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