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king of bluffs4 High Card
Joined: 04 Jul 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: Any Advice for a Limit Newbie? |
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Hello all my Poker playing friends and enemies,
:twisted: . I have a question of great Importance. Can any of you give me pointers on the different strategies between limit and no-limit hold'em. I consider myself a steady no-limit player, but when it comes to limit I blow my bank-roll. Any help plz? Please don't tell me to almost never bluff though, I learnt that the hard way. |
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mathman1115 Wizard of Odderation
Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 3085 Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you should be playing a lot less hands in limit games. I'd say you should only be seeing 15% of flops or so, whereas in NL you'll see 25-30%. This is because your implied odds are less in limit.
Also, you should do a lot less calling in limit. If your hand is good enough to play/continue with, you usually should be raising and reraising with it. This is especially true preflop.
Blind play is also more important in limit. Do not defend your blinds too often, or you will bleed chips away. At the same time, you do need to stand up once in a while, especially if the same player is picking on your blinds. Don't be afraid to 3bet a lp/sb raiser with even mediocre holdings once in a while. It's a much better play against the sb because you'll have position. If a lp player raises me i do like to defend once in a while even if i constantly have crappy hands just to let him no that i won't let him just steal every time.
Finally, when playing multiway pots, play hands that have the potential to make strong hands. You will have multiple players showing down in limit, so you want to be playing hands that can give you the nuts or close to it. There is nothing worse than hitting a baby flush on the river only to lose to a better one.
Do not play hands like 25s or even 8To multiway because they will just get in you in trouble. Never say you have pot odds to play them because you don't. More often than not even if you hit the flop nice with them you'll be beat or get beat/countered by the river. |
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Riddim Moderator
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Mathman, where did you come up with those VPIP percentages? Other than that I basically agree with your post though, except for the blind play thing. You should be defending sooo much more in limit than in NL, especially in the BB. Not only are you getting way better odds, but position is less important. |
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mathman1115 Wizard of Odderation
Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 3085 Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| Riddim wrote: |
| Mathman, where did you come up with those VPIP percentages? Other than that I basically agree with your post though, except for the blind play thing. You should be defending sooo much more in limit than in NL, especially in the BB. Not only are you getting way better odds, but position is less important. |
I never said you should be defending blinds more in NL, i just said blind play is more important in limit
And whats the problem with my percentages? Do you think they should be more/less? I did mean for limit to put the range 15-20%, although i don't think being around 15% is bad.
VPIP and flops seen percents also aren't exactly the same. |
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Riddim Moderator
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: |
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I know VPIP isn't saw flop, but it's fairly close. And I think that 30% is insanely high for NL if you're talking full ring, while 15% is insanely low for limit if you're talking 6max.
As for the blind play thing, I didn't think you said we should be defending more in NL. It just seemed like you were saying we shouldn't defend a lot in limit and I used NL as a comparison. |
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mathman1115 Wizard of Odderation
Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 3085 Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Riddim wrote: |
| I know VPIP isn't saw flop, but it's fairly close. And I think that 30% is insanely high for NL if you're talking full ring, while 15% is insanely low for limit if you're talking 6max. |
I am speaking full ring for both. 30% for NL is on the high end, but i like the range 25-30% . Obviously if the pot is being raised PF almost every hand, then no not that much. But i regularly play at tables where there is a lot of limping PF and not much PF raising, so i see more flops knowing i can outplay my opponents after the flop.
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As for the blind play thing, I didn't think you said we should be defending more in NL. It just seemed like you were saying we shouldn't defend a lot in limit and I used NL as a comparison. |
I guess in saying that blind play is more important in limit, i was emphasizing not defending too much as opposed to emphasizing make sure you defend enough. For a newer player, i think the former is more important. |
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Riddim Moderator
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I think you're right when it comes to the blind play thing. I'm probably just too used to playing HU where even the fish are generally aggro PF and playing tight in the BB can be a huge mistake. As for the 30% flops in NL though, I still disagree. Seeing 30% of flops will tend to be too much even for most 6max players. |
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fire_eyes_2k The Burn Card
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 3469 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Best advice is to read a lot of the links in the stickied post at the top of this section. And go get yourself a copy of 'Winning Low Limit Hold'em" by Lee Jones |
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mathman1115 Wizard of Odderation
Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 3085 Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Riddim wrote: |
| As for the 30% flops in NL though, I still disagree. Seeing 30% of flops will tend to be too much even for most 6max players. |
Meh, maybe i'm agreeing more with you on this point. Truth is, i haven't played NL cash tables in a while. I decided to two table today FR NL for a while. I felt like i was playing loose early on, and after a 200+ hand session, i had only seen 18% of flops! I'm not sure where i got the 30% from, even as a high end. Looks to be more like 16-25%. I think the range should be wider too because NL opponents vary so much more, and NL is much less ABC that limit.
I do still believe that for NL, the % should be higher than limit, even if it's not as much as i originally predicted. |
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Riddim Moderator
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| mathman1115 wrote: |
| I do still believe that for NL, the % should be higher than limit, even if it's not as much as i originally predicted. |
Yeah, I agree when it comes to full ring. Limit does pass NL at some point though, and I'm pretty sure it's before HU, where you can play a ton more hands. |
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