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comin4you · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: What do y'all think?

Just got through this hand and am really not sure where I was at. I've been playing at the table for just under an hour and respected my opponents play so far. In fact, my notes said to avoid big pots with him (Opal). Oops. Ended up loosing everything I had accumulated at the table, so could have been worse. My guess is an over pair to mine, which might explain the large bet on the end. I don't think he'd be betting so strong w/ a set, and I'm 80% sure he wouldn't play AK that way. I'd appreciate any and all thoughts, especially about my play. Thanks!

Full Tilt Poker Game #470199180: Table Ducharme - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:33:11 ET - 2006/03/01
Seat 1: Comin4You ($32.20)
Seat 2: dbofizzle ($22)
Seat 3: toobad24 ($5.40)
Seat 4: lodidodi32 ($24.50)
Seat 5: chucktx64 ($24.70)
Seat 6: Professor72 ($19.30)
Seat 7: Opal_88 ($25)
Seat 8: Stats4you ($14.50)
Seat 9: ssenkrad1980 ($12.70)
lodidodi32 posts the small blind of $0.10
chucktx64 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Comin4You [Jh Jd]
Professor72 folds
Opal_88 raises to $0.75
Stats4you folds
ssenkrad1980 folds
Comin4You calls $0.75
dbofizzle calls $0.75
toobad24 folds
lodidodi32 folds
chucktx64 folds
*** FLOP *** [5d Th 9c]
Opal_88 bets $1.95
Comin4You raises to $4
dbofizzle folds
Opal_88 calls $2.05
*** TURN *** [5d Th 9c] [Qh]
Opal_88 bets $7
Comin4You calls $7
*** RIVER *** [5d Th 9c Qh] [2d]
Opal_88 bets $13.25, and is all in
Comin4You has 15 seconds left to act
Comin4You is sitting out
Comin4You has timed out
Comin4You folds
Uncalled bet of $13.25 returned to Opal_88
Comin4You has returned
Opal_88 mucks
Opal_88 wins the pot ($23.40)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24.60 | Rake $1.20
Board: [5d Th 9c Qh 2d]
Seat 1: Comin4You folded on the River
Seat 2: dbofizzle folded on the Flop
Seat 3: toobad24 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: lodidodi32 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: chucktx64 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Professor72 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Opal_88 collected ($23.40), mucked
Seat 8: Stats4you didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: ssenkrad1980 didn't bet (folded)

IAmTheVietcong · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:44 am Post subject:

Probably hit the queen.

I would have cut my losses and folded at the turn.

tcwhat · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:04 am Post subject:

Why only call his raise on the flop?

Why not put in re-raise to get a better idea of where they stand?

comin4you · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: Re:

tcwhat · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: Re:

FatStacks06 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 736

He only raised to 3XBB on the flop and you just call? You have to pop it up to $3 there. Re-raise him 4X what he bet. He had no reason to think he was behind there. He most likely put you on a straight draw. If you take control on the flop and then lead out with a pot-sized bet on that flop, you'll probably take it right there. My money is that he was on either KQ or AQ. You have to show more aggression on your premium hands. It's ok if your bet let's him know you have a big pair. On that flop, if he has you on a big pair, he will fold everytime.

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

What is it with the popularity of the pot sized bet? That stupid button is screwing up the game. Why not make a bet of 1/2 to 2/3 the size of the pot? This way you're still not giving proper drawing odds, plus you disguise your continuation bets later. A pot sized bet is usually a very bad idea - you will be called only if you're beaten and not get paid off with any of your good hands. Plus it makes your continuation bets glaringly obvious.

FatStacks06 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 736

I disagree. If they are going to chase, they're going to chase. I'm not really concerned about giving odds to draw unless I have an unbeatable hand. If I have the winning hand at the time, that can still be beat, I want to take it down right there. Betting only half the pot on the flop is playing defensively in my opinion. I would never bet less than 2/3 the pot on a flop like that. 1/2 pot bets are probe bets, someone wanting to see if their middle par is good, semi-bluffing draws and the like and they show weakness. 4/5 times I'll re-raise a 1/2 pot bet 3-4X on the flop even if I didn't connect. If you're going to play tight aggressive, you really need to play aggressive.

Gypsydc · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: Re:

comin4you · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

Seems to be a common theme here of re-raising. I did consider it, but decided not to for really stupid reasons. I really don't think AQ or KQ were either of his holdings just based on his preior playing, but an overpair is most likely. Y'alls right though, I Should have defined it better PF.
As for the pot button, I agree with FatStacks06, if they want to chase, they will. Same game, I was in a hand with a guy who's handle was "Chasing GT". It was just the two of us in the pot, and I had pocket tens. He had been living up to his name, and the flop came 49T two clubs, I made a 2/3 bet, he calls. I immediately put him on the draw, and bet the pot when the turn blacked. He called. River was another 4, so I bet smallish, 1/3 pot in case I was wrong, he folds saying he missed. Some people just love to chase, so I'm gonna make em pay for it.

iRockhoes · Pair Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 36

if you are going to play JJ like that preflop, and get that flop, you need to reraise more than basically a min - raise. The min raise at that level is either a set or a straight draw trying to get to the river for cheap. If you bump up the bet a decent amount, to maybe 6 or 7, he will tell you basically what hand he has on the turn. If he bets heavy on turn, you might call to try and catch the straight but you are probably going to let it go to one of the hands i think he has - a set or two pair. I dont think the queen hurt you but you cant really know for sure just min raising the flop. You arent going to see many flops better than that for JJ, you gotta get in there and take control of the pot from there.

Guest · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:39 am Post subject:

In reading this it wouldn't surprise me if he had queen jack suited. Since it is a low stakes table, this is a hand I can see being raised with. Since he got two callers he might be putting out a feeler bet on the flop hoping it was a miss for you and the other guy. Also he is still drawing at a big hand if his straight hits so in a sense he's putting out a semi-bluff. Your reraise might have sent off some warning signs, but his odds at that point weren't that bad if he puts you on top pair. He might have put you on AT or KT, giving him 10 outs which makes his odds close to 50/50 at this point. Obviously when you're odds are that good on a flop, a fold to your reraise is out of the question. He's going to bet his hand when it hits, which it obviously did, especially if he's got you on a hand like AT. Also he probably moved in of the river since he didn't put you on a set, since you probably would have reraised him on the turn with a set. I know this might be overdoing it on the analysis, but for some reason I thought of QJ when reading this. I hope this helps. late.
Mo skazy

dose160 · Pair Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 26 Location: Nunya Bidness

I actually stated the incorrect outs in the previous post. It would be 14 outs since it would have been an open ender, not 10. My bad. late.
Mo skazy

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