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dcdoorknob · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:48 am Post subject:

I do think you are probably right with the call pre-flop/check fold a missed flop most of the time from the utg limper, so it isn't hard to see how this play could show a profit. Still, I think a hand like 78s is probably preferable to A9o for this purpose. I

On the flop, I'd bet it, say 400ish. Surely there are enough overs to your pair of 9's that you aren't in the same 'way ahead/way behind so check' mindset of previous hands, are you? Also, how will the observant player ever respect your c-bets if you check every time you hit a piece of the flop? (not that this directly matters in this case as you have changed tables, but in general).

nilgiri · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:47 am Post subject:

JDizzzle72 · Royal Flush Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 529

I lay the hand down, you still have ~3k chips and I believe he has a PP in this situation, more likely hitting a set than being an overpair with his check/call pre imo.

dcdoorknob · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:16 am Post subject:

It's a pretty ugly spot. He could certainly have you in bad shape here, and its not like he could just think you missed and is min-raising w/ AT.... oh wait, where have I seen that play recently?

I might call the min-raise and fold to a turn bet, but I'm not sure that is a good line. Just can't really come up with another I like any better. Folding so easily on the flop doesn't feel good. A raise will very seldom be called by worse, but comes dangerously close to committing us anyways. If he does have air he may slow down on the turn, but its hard to know....

nilgiri · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:34 am Post subject:

Unfortunately, a min raise could be a draw, a lower PP, a set, an overpair, a worse TP, even just some overcards...

I decided his range was too big to give this up. Calling would almost certainly bring a scare card, Besides which, if he slowed down I probably was unlikely to get more more money from him, but if he continued his aggression I still wouldn't know where I was.

It worked out. I don't know if this is usually a good idea or not...

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HAND #37
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 40/80 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Suicide King007 (BB): 1,200
OkanT (UTG): 4,090
spliff77 (UTG+1): 1,840
skull0606 (MP1): 4,030
Chris Klecz (MP2): 1,210
miss williams (CO): 2,195
Skoblar 13 (BTN): 1,405
Hero (SB): 3,598

Pre-Flop: (120) 9

A

dealt to Hero (SB)
OkanT calls 80, 5 folds, Hero raises to 320, Suicide King007 folds, OkanT calls 240

Flop: (720) 3

5

9

(2 Players)
Hero bets 450, OkanT raises to 900, Hero raises to 3,278 and is All-In, OkanT folds

Results: 2,520 Pot
Hero mucked 9

A

and WON 2,520 (+1,300 NET)

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HAND #38
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 40/80 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Suicide King007 (SB): 1,120
OkanT (BB): 2,870
spliff77 (UTG): 1,840
skull0606 (UTG+1): 4,030
Chris Klecz (MP1): 1,210
miss williams (MP2): 2,195
Skoblar 13 (CO): 1,405
Hero (BTN): 4,898

Pre-Flop: (120) 6

5

dealt to Hero (BTN)
spliff77 folds, skull0606 calls 80, 3 folds, Hero ???

On the button with 65o. Should I fold or play? (If it had been folded to me, I'd be raising here to steal some blinds... If I want to play this hand, should I raise or limp?)

dcdoorknob · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject:

Well, the problem with that entire hand (A9o) is just that if you play similar hands that way too often, you are just inevitably going to encounter some completely avoidable busts. Still, considering the limp from EP it is hard to put him on an overpair or a range that is ahead of you. I don't really know if I like any of the options on that flop though. It is probably a good example of why the 78s is better than A9o in this spot, its just more unlikely to put you in a spot where you are faced with the decision to make a weak fold or risk stacking off with something marginal.

Current hand.... I'm curious, you say you'd be raising here with 65o if it was folded to you... are you raising 100% here? 80%? I can't see how it would be less than that if 65o is in your range, unless you just make an exception for low unsuited connectors.

Playing this hand depends on your ability to steal the pot (surely the quality of the cards isn't what convinces you to play), I think that may well be easier post flop than pre (I'd just be surprised if your preflop raise prompted a fold), and it also costs the least if you are compelled to abort, so I prefer calling to raising there. Still, even for a LAG this hand is 100% easily foldable (I'm just betting you didn't).

nilgiri · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject:

dcdoorknob · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject:

I really don't like calling raises with hands like this, and a reraise seems pretty optimistic too. I'd fold.

nilgiri · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:22 am Post subject:

Well, I have position and chips, so I'm ok with a call.

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HAND #54
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 60/120 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (MP): 1,893
rjrloserx5 (CO): 6,365
Hero (BTN): 4,638
HAYAAAAA (SB): 3,415
Mikeracer67 (BB): 2,840
kurt23x (UTG): 1,306
spliff77 (UTG+1): 2,460

Pre-Flop: (180) J

Q

dealt to Hero (BTN)
kurt23x folds, spliff77 raises to 345, 2 folds, Hero calls 345, HAYAAAAA folds, Mikeracer67 calls 225

Flop: (1,095) 2

9

K

(3 Players)
Mikeracer67 checks, spliff77 checks, Hero ???

Now what? I've got a gutshot, but there are two other people in the hand...

1337-Sanchez · Two Pair Joined: 16 Jun 2008 Posts: 55

if you are like me (tight player), then check ANY draw you have unless you have a pair with it. screw bluffing... I like money finishes

dcdoorknob · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:33 am Post subject:

Still don't really like the call. While you may have chips the raise is definitely over 10% of spliff's stack, and his stack is the more determining factor in this case imo.

On the flop, I'm really not strongly opposed to either checking or betting out.

nilgiri · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:00 am Post subject:

This is a perfect spot to bet out IMHO.

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HAND #54
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 60/120 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (MP): 1,893
rjrloserx5 (CO): 6,365
Hero (BTN): 4,638
HAYAAAAA (SB): 3,415
Mikeracer67 (BB): 2,840
kurt23x (UTG): 1,306
spliff77 (UTG+1): 2,460

Pre-Flop: (180) J

Q

dealt to Hero (BTN)
kurt23x folds, spliff77 raises to 345, 2 folds, Hero calls 345, HAYAAAAA folds, Mikeracer67 calls 225

Flop: (1,095) 2

9

K

(3 Players)
Mikeracer67 checks, spliff77 checks, Hero bets 750, 2 folds

Results: 1,095 Pot
Hero mucked J

Q

and WON 1,095 (+750 NET)

Continuing on. I played #66, but I don't think there is much to comment on -- most people wouldn't try this play, but I was experimenting -- and continue to experiment -- with minraising UTG as a steal.

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HAND #55
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 60/120 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (UTG+1): 1,893
rjrloserx5 (MP): 6,365
Hero (CO): 5,388
HAYAAAAA (BTN): 3,355
Mikeracer67 (SB): 2,495
kurt23x (BB): 1,306
spliff77 (UTG): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (180) 4

3

dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, rjrloserx5 raises to 360, 3 folds, kurt23x raises to 1,306 and is All-In, rjrloserx5 calls 946

Flop: (2,672) 8

A

6

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (2,672) 5

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (2,672) 3

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 2,672 Pot
rjrloserx5 showed K

Q

(Ace King high) and LOST (-1,306 NET)
kurt23x showed J

A

(a pair of Aces) and WON 2,672 (+1,366 NET)

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HAND #56
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 60/120 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (UTG): 1,893
rjrloserx5 (UTG+1): 5,059
Hero (MP): 5,388
HAYAAAAA (CO): 3,355
Mikeracer67 (BTN): 2,435
kurt23x (SB): 2,672
spliff77 (BB): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (180) A

6

dealt to Hero (MP)
6 folds

Results: 120 Pot
spliff77 mucked and WON 120 (+60 NET)

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HAND #57
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 60/120 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (BB): 1,893
rjrloserx5 (UTG): 5,059
Hero (UTG+1): 5,388
HAYAAAAA (MP): 3,355
Mikeracer67 (CO): 2,435
kurt23x (BTN): 2,612
spliff77 (SB): 2,175

Pre-Flop: (180) 4

5

dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
6 folds

Results: 120 Pot
HANSONSNUTS13 mucked and WON 120 (+60 NET)

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HAND #58
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 60/120 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (SB): 1,953
rjrloserx5 (BB): 5,059
Hero (UTG): 5,388
HAYAAAAA (UTG+1): 3,355
Mikeracer67 (MP): 2,435
kurt23x (CO): 2,612
spliff77 (BTN): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (180) 8

6

dealt to Hero (UTG)
5 folds, HANSONSNUTS13 raises to 360, rjrloserx5 calls 240

Flop: (720) 7

9

8

(2 Players)
HANSONSNUTS13 checks, rjrloserx5 bets 1,800, HANSONSNUTS13 folds

Results: 720 Pot
rjrloserx5 mucked and WON 720 (+360 NET)

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HAND #59
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (BTN): 1,593
rjrloserx5 (SB): 5,419
Hero (BB): 5,388
HAYAAAAA (UTG): 3,355
Mikeracer67 (UTG+1): 2,435
kurt23x (MP): 2,612
spliff77 (CO): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (240) 5

T

dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, kurt23x raises to 423, 4 folds

Results: 400 Pot
kurt23x mucked and WON 400 (+240 NET)

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HAND #60
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (CO): 1,593
rjrloserx5 (BTN): 5,339
Hero (SB): 5,228
HAYAAAAA (BB): 3,355
Mikeracer67 (UTG): 2,435
kurt23x (UTG+1): 2,852
spliff77 (MP): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (240) 7

T

dealt to Hero (SB)
Mikeracer67 raises to 320, 6 folds

Results: 400 Pot
Mikeracer67 mucked and WON 400 (+240 NET)

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HAND #61
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (MP1): 1,593
pongyisgod (MP2): 6,653
rjrloserx5 (CO): 5,339
Hero (BTN): 5,148
HAYAAAAA (SB): 3,195
springboard (BB): 2,145
Mikeracer67 (UTG): 2,675
kurt23x (UTG+1): 2,852
spliff77 (UTG+2): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (240) 6

A

dealt to Hero (BTN)
Mikeracer67 calls 160, 3 folds, pongyisgod raises to 6,653 and is All-In, 5 folds

Results: 560 Pot
pongyisgod mucked and WON 560 (+400 NET)

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HAND #62
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

HANSONSNUTS13 (UTG+2): 1,593
pongyisgod (MP1): 7,053
rjrloserx5 (MP2): 5,339
Hero (CO): 5,148
HAYAAAAA (BTN): 3,115
springboard (SB): 1,985
Mikeracer67 (BB): 2,515
kurt23x (UTG): 2,852
spliff77 (UTG+1): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (240) K

7

dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, HANSONSNUTS13 raises to 1,593 and is All-In, 5 folds, Mikeracer67 calls 1,433

Flop: (3,266) 6

2

J

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (3,266) A

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (3,266) 5

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 3,266 Pot
HANSONSNUTS13 showed 4

4

(a pair of Fours) and LOST (-1,593 NET)
Mikeracer67 showed A

K

(a pair of Aces) and WON 3,266 (+1,673 NET)

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HAND #63
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

pongyisgod (UTG+1): 7,053
rjrloserx5 (MP1): 5,339
Hero (MP2): 5,148
HAYAAAAA (CO): 3,115
springboard (BTN): 1,905
Mikeracer67 (SB): 4,188
kurt23x (BB): 2,852
spliff77 (UTG): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (240) 6

4

dealt to Hero (MP2)
3 folds, Hero raises to 480, HAYAAAAA folds, springboard raises to 1,905 and is All-In, 3 folds

Results: 1,200 Pot
springboard mucked and WON 1,200 (+720 NET)

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HAND #64
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

pongyisgod (UTG): 7,053
rjrloserx5 (UTG+1): 5,339
Hero (MP1): 4,668
HAYAAAAA (MP2): 3,115
springboard (CO): 2,625
Mikeracer67 (BTN): 4,108
kurt23x (SB): 2,692
spliff77 (BB): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (240) 3

2

dealt to Hero (MP1)
7 folds

Results: 160 Pot
spliff77 mucked and WON 160 (+80 NET)

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HAND #65
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

pongyisgod (BB): 7,053
rjrloserx5 (UTG): 5,339
Hero (UTG+1): 4,668
HAYAAAAA (MP1): 3,115
springboard (MP2): 2,625
Mikeracer67 (CO): 4,108
kurt23x (BTN): 2,612
spliff77 (SB): 2,195

Pre-Flop: (240) 8

Q

dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
3 folds, springboard raises to 420, 3 folds, pongyisgod raises to 7,053 and is All-In, springboard calls 2,205 and is All-In

Flop: (5,330) J

T

Q

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (5,330) K

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (5,330) 3

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 5,330 Pot
pongyisgod showed 2

2

(a pair of Twos) and LOST (-2,625 NET)
springboard showed K

K

(three of a kind, Kings) and WON 5,330 (+2,705 NET)

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HAND #66
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

pongyisgod (SB): 4,428
rjrloserx5 (BB): 5,339
Hero (UTG): 4,668
HAYAAAAA (UTG+1): 3,115
springboard (MP1): 5,330
Mikeracer67 (MP2): 4,108
kurt23x (CO): 2,612
spliff77 (BTN): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (240) J

Q

dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 320, 5 folds, pongyisgod raises to 4,428 and is All-In, 2 folds

Results: 800 Pot
pongyisgod mucked and WON 800 (+480 NET)

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HAND #67
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 80/160 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

pongyisgod (BTN): 4,908
rjrloserx5 (SB): 5,179
Hero (BB): 4,348
HAYAAAAA (UTG): 3,115
springboard (UTG+1): 5,330
Mikeracer67 (MP1): 4,108
kurt23x (MP2): 2,612
spliff77 (CO): 2,115

Pre-Flop: (240) T

K

dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, Mikeracer67 calls 160, 4 folds, Hero ???

JDizzzle72 · Royal Flush Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 529

First off, any guess at how many would be left in the tourney at this point?

Secondly, I check here. If you hit the flop, MP1 doesn't think so as you'd typically raise with paint. And if the board comes rags, you can play like you just got a nice BB special with your 6 3. Many will disagree with how I play my BBs when it's limped to me, but I've found it +EV

nilgiri · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject:

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