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rockycatt
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| hghlndr6 wrote: |
First of all, Q9o is not a great hand. So you're BB and you check, hoping the flop will hit you ...that's OK. And it does. 2 pair, OK. Not the top card, though. That Ace may be troublesome.
xtremlee calls a pot-size bet on the flop and then calls your 3x raise. Doesn't that tell you something? Seems like you were too focused on YOUR cards when you should have been considering what the other guy's betting is telling you. |
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drewg22
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Joined: 25 May 2008
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I have played 6 - 18 man - $2 S&G's in the last 3 days. I have 3 2nd's, 1 3rd, 1 5th and 1 17th.
I learned the most on the 1 17th.
2nd or 3rd hand I was dealt KK, reraised another raiser, it escalated to an All in and as you can imagine I lost to AA.
From that I decided I am a good enough player that if I am patient, I can play better than most other players at this level and end up in the money. I no longer go all in early unless I am certain I have nuts or a solid read on the other player.
Do I have to laydown a big hand occasionally? Sure, but I have plenty of chips to come back when I get better reads on the players.
On two of those 2nd place finishes I spent a good bit of time in 13-15th place waiting for the right cards and flops.
Just my $.02. |
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dcdoorknob
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Joined: 11 May 2007
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Location: Mississippi
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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I have played 6 - 18 man - $2 S&G's in the last 3 days. I have 3 2nd's, 1 3rd, 1 5th and 1 17th.
I learned the most on the 1 17th.
2nd or 3rd hand I was dealt KK, reraised another raiser, it escalated to an All in and as you can imagine I lost to AA.
From that I decided I am a good enough player that if I am patient, I can play better than most other players at this level and end up in the money. I no longer go all in early unless I am certain I have nuts or a solid read on the other player.
Do I have to laydown a big hand occasionally? Sure, but I have plenty of chips to come back when I get better reads on the players.
On two of those 2nd place finishes I spent a good bit of time in 13-15th place waiting for the right cards and flops.
Just my $.02. |
No, bad, yuck.
Go broke with KK preflop anytime and don't think twice. If you are willing to lay that hand down early or whenever, and anything else that isn't the nuts, you are just playing so far from optimal that your perceived edge on the field just can't really be an edge at all imo. |
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drewg22
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Joined: 25 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| drewg22 wrote: |
I have played 6 - 18 man - $2 S&G's in the last 3 days. I have 3 2nd's, 1 3rd, 1 5th and 1 17th.
I learned the most on the 1 17th.
2nd or 3rd hand I was dealt KK, reraised another raiser, it escalated to an All in and as you can imagine I lost to AA.
From that I decided I am a good enough player that if I am patient, I can play better than most other players at this level and end up in the money. I no longer go all in early unless I am certain I have nuts or a solid read on the other player.
Do I have to laydown a big hand occasionally? Sure, but I have plenty of chips to come back when I get better reads on the players.
On two of those 2nd place finishes I spent a good bit of time in 13-15th place waiting for the right cards and flops.
Just my $.02. |
No, bad, yuck.
Go broke with KK preflop anytime and don't think twice. If you are willing to lay that hand down early or whenever, and anything else that isn't the nuts, you are just playing so far from optimal that your perceived edge on the field just can't really be an edge at all imo. |
I am not going to just throw it away but I could have called the large raise rather than risking everything pre-flop with an all in reraise. An A came on the flop and I would have about 1150 chips left instead of being out of the game.
Again you misunderstand, I am not saying I will lay anything down that is not the nuts. I see a lot of people go all-in when in actual fact a pot limit bet or even less will give them the info they need to play the hand.
All I know is my bankroll is up 162% in one week since I started playing this way. If those results continue, I see know reason to change. |
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bingy1990
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Joined: 01 Nov 2007
Posts: 684
Location: PokerStars MTT's.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Just busted out a sit&go myself first hand, about 2 hours ago. Nearly everybody limped in, I was on the button with King Kong, made a good reraise, one person came over the top for all his chips, one called and I called. My KK was upagainst AQ and...AQ, and thats all she wrote! |
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renegades8
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Location: griiiiinding
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| drewg22 wrote: |
| dcdoorknob wrote: |
| drewg22 wrote: |
I have played 6 - 18 man - $2 S&G's in the last 3 days. I have 3 2nd's, 1 3rd, 1 5th and 1 17th.
I learned the most on the 1 17th.
2nd or 3rd hand I was dealt KK, reraised another raiser, it escalated to an All in and as you can imagine I lost to AA.
From that I decided I am a good enough player that if I am patient, I can play better than most other players at this level and end up in the money. I no longer go all in early unless I am certain I have nuts or a solid read on the other player.
Do I have to laydown a big hand occasionally? Sure, but I have plenty of chips to come back when I get better reads on the players.
On two of those 2nd place finishes I spent a good bit of time in 13-15th place waiting for the right cards and flops.
Just my $.02. |
No, bad, yuck.
Go broke with KK preflop anytime and don't think twice. If you are willing to lay that hand down early or whenever, and anything else that isn't the nuts, you are just playing so far from optimal that your perceived edge on the field just can't really be an edge at all imo. |
I am not going to just throw it away but I could have called the large raise rather than risking everything pre-flop with an all in reraise. An A came on the flop and I would have about 1150 chips left instead of being out of the game.
Again you misunderstand, I am not saying I will lay anything down that is not the nuts. I see a lot of people go all-in when in actual fact a pot limit bet or even less will give them the info they need to play the hand.
All I know is my bankroll is up 162% in one week since I started playing this way. If those results continue, I see know reason to change. |
You'd rather get all of your money in when you're less than an 80% favorite, and possibly even behind? I'll take being a 80% favorite, thanks. Of course you're going to run into aces once in awhile, but not often enough for you to be afraid of them having aces and having it alter your play. |
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drewg22
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Joined: 25 May 2008
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| drewg22 wrote: |
| dcdoorknob wrote: |
| drewg22 wrote: |
I have played 6 - 18 man - $2 S&G's in the last 3 days. I have 3 2nd's, 1 3rd, 1 5th and 1 17th.
I learned the most on the 1 17th.
2nd or 3rd hand I was dealt KK, reraised another raiser, it escalated to an All in and as you can imagine I lost to AA.
From that I decided I am a good enough player that if I am patient, I can play better than most other players at this level and end up in the money. I no longer go all in early unless I am certain I have nuts or a solid read on the other player.
Do I have to laydown a big hand occasionally? Sure, but I have plenty of chips to come back when I get better reads on the players.
On two of those 2nd place finishes I spent a good bit of time in 13-15th place waiting for the right cards and flops.
Just my $.02. |
No, bad, yuck.
Go broke with KK preflop anytime and don't think twice. If you are willing to lay that hand down early or whenever, and anything else that isn't the nuts, you are just playing so far from optimal that your perceived edge on the field just can't really be an edge at all imo. |
I am not going to just throw it away but I could have called the large raise rather than risking everything pre-flop with an all in reraise. An A came on the flop and I would have about 1150 chips left instead of being out of the game.
Again you misunderstand, I am not saying I will lay anything down that is not the nuts. I see a lot of people go all-in when in actual fact a pot limit bet or even less will give them the info they need to play the hand.
All I know is my bankroll is up 162% in one week since I started playing this way. If those results continue, I see know reason to change. |
You'd rather get all of your money in when you're less than an 80% favorite, and possibly even behind? I'll take being a 80% favorite, thanks. Of course you're going to run into aces once in awhile, but not often enough for you to be afraid of them having aces and having it alter your play. |
That 80% is against "random hands". If someone raises in front of you from early position they have better than a "random hand".
Sure you could still be a nice 66% to 80% favorite.
All I know is the slight alteration in my early play has so far improved my results by a lot. I see no reason to change my play while that continues.
As a side note I had them midway through a tourney this morning, reraised a 2X BB raise, he put me all in. AK vs KK and of course the A dropped on the flop, out in 12th or 13th place. So I don't fold them or play them conservatively at all times.
Part of the fun of poker is that there is more than one way to play. |
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