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Honest_Rob · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: 25NL AK 3bet by Tight SS

Villain is 15/5/6.5(3005)
How do we take villain's stats into consideration when deciding if we should call here?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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UTG: $4.40
UTG+1: $9
MP1: $5.50
Hero (MP2): $25.35
CO: $15.40
BTN: $5
SB: $48.05
BB: $28.65

Pre-Flop: K Spade

A

dealt to Hero (MP2)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, CO folds, BTN raises to $5 and is All-In, 3 folds, Hero ?

EDIT: Another hand with same villain:

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
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CO: $25.25
BTN: $25.25
SB: $17.85
Hero (BB): $30.10
UTG: $15.60
UTG+1: $5
UTG+2: $40.95
MP1: $29.90
MP2: $24.75

Pre-Flop: Q Diamond

A

dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $5 and is All-In, 6 folds, Hero ?

nilgiri · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject:

Do you have 3-bet% set up on your HUD? If not, this is a useful stat to have, and helps in the first hand.

First hand I would call because I don't think you are behind enough against his range with the odds you are getting.

Second hand I'd just fold. I don't think you are ahead of his range.

EDIT: Any reads? In particular, is this guy playing a push/fold game? It doesn't seem like he is given the disparity between his VPIP and PFR, but maybe he is just super tight with the hands he pushes, and looser with the hands he calls with (which seems backwards to me, but whatever). If he is playing this, I used to do this and had a VPIP of about 15 as well. In the second hand you would be looking at 88+,AJ+ if I were shoving there (which beats AQs). And that is looser than his PFR...

Honest_Rob · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject:

3bet is 2.26

I had just sat with him when these hands happened. Despite the large amount of hands I have no recollection of ever playing with this guy and have no notes on him. In hindsight he was open shoving a lot of hands but I didn't know it at this point.

Edit: And fwiw I called the first hand and he showed 66

nilgiri · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject:

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4317 Location: ROK

first hand call, second hand call. I don't know how far apart these hands are but I'm sure that AQs is ahead of his range from what you've said so far. What's your opponents actual name also? I might have info on him to share.

StevieWard · Message Board Junkie Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 1554

I call the first as its a flip for a small amount, may fold the 2nd or call, not a lot in either really.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2121

It looks like he is just shoving because he is so short. So I would not worry about the 3 bet stat since he is also willing to open shove the same amount. I would look at his pf raise % instead. On hand 1, you have to call seeing how you already put money in the pot. On hand 2, after what he showed you the previous hand, you have to call too. You will be flipping a lot, but I think he might show up with AJ enough to make this a call. Its really marginal though.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

the villain's screenname is bircen.

renegades8 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject:

Call both I guess, the second one is a tough call (might be a fold), but the first one seems pretty easy to me.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I don't really like playing on tables where there are so many shortstacks like in the first hand. You're simply getting into too many of these spots preflop and you can't really outplay them post-flop since they're so short. I just feel as though you can have a bigger edge when you're playing deep than short, but I guess the shortstacks are more likely to donk off their stack so I guess it depends.

EDIT: I suck at spelling. Razz

nilgiri · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject:

Honest_Rob · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject:

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

I snapcall 1 and fold 2 until he's shown that he's shoving light from EP.

XxBinh_LamxX · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject:

call both hands if ur PR0.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2121

I've changed my mind on hand 2. I think its a fold. I don't think he's shoving AJ there. So that makes it a fold.

HuJwang · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:38 am Post subject:

hand 1 is a pretty easy snap call.... hand 2 i might call

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