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cjavdani
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 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: NL25 AK OOP on Drawy Board |
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Villain is 23/7/1 over enough hands to be relevant.
Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
BB: $19.35
UTG: $56.20
Hero (UTG+1): $29.30
MP: $26.40
CO: $25.40
BTN: $50.95
SB: $26.10
Pre-Flop: K A dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.85, blinds fold
Flop: ($2.05) T 8 9 (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.25, BTN calls $1.25
Turn: ($4.55) K (2 Players)
Hero bets $2, BTN calls $2
River: ($8.55) 9 (2 Players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50
How's the line? |
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drtre1987
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I'd c/c this river instead of bet out. Your best chance at value on this type of board is to let missed draws bluff. The only hand you can hope to get value at on this board is a TX hand or JJ.
And bet more on the turn to charge draws. |
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renegades8
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| Make your bet sizing larger on all streets, ~1/2 pot is way too small. It doesn't really matter if you make it pot or 4x preflop, but make it atleast $1.50 on the flop, $3 on the turn, and $5 on the river (as played). I prefer to make it close pot on the flop in a limped/raised pot, and then on the turn and river you can make your bets a bit smaller in relation to the pot. Pretty gross river, check/calling is probably best so you don't get raised and put into a weird spot with hands that have you beat, and that way worse hands might also take a stab at the pot whereas if you bet out they'll just fold. |
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bdbranch
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Location: At home wdyt. Btw. I'm not opinionated all the time, umm can you be opinionated when you're asleep
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| I'd disagree with the larger bets (except maybe turn). Yes he may be ahead, but there's alot that can beat him. In my opinion he's only betting the flop hoping that villain has missed. The turn bet is either to hope to get rid of flush and/or straight draws (dangerous in this sit) or merely to test villian and river bet is only to stop someone with a marginal hand (or missed draw) from stealing the pot. And if someone reraises, then it's a clear fold. Btw. I can't see how you could possibly call if you check then villain bets on river. |
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renegades8
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| I'd disagree with the larger bets (except maybe turn). Yes he may be ahead, but there's alot that can beat him. In my opinion he's only betting the flop hoping that villain has missed. The turn bet is either to hope to get rid of flush and/or straight draws (dangerous in this sit) or merely to test villian and river bet is only to stop someone with a marginal hand (or missed draw) from stealing the pot. And if someone reraises, then it's a clear fold. Btw. I can't see how you could possibly call if you check then villain bets on river. |
Your bet sizing should have nothing to do with your own hand strength. Of course there's lots that can beat, but 2/3 of the time he'll miss the flop and when he hits the flop it's often not strong enough to continue. At these limits your c-bets get way more respect when they're larger. How are you going to get rid of flush/straight draws when they're getting 3 to 1 in position? I do agree that in many spots bet/folding is best on the river since you find out where you are and you can get thin value out of it etc., I'm just not sure if this is one of those spots. |
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cjavdani
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Location: Eugene, OR
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| Is there an argument to be made here for a river blocking bet? If yes, then what size? |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Why is there a need for a blocking bet against someone this tight/passive? And how many hands is "enough to be relevant"? As for how the hand played out, I'd bet more on flop/turn. On the river I think I like your tiny bet to get value from tens and some kings that had a draw on the flop. If you check this river I think it should be to fold though, not to call. |
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cjavdani
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| Enough hands is a couple hundred. I had jotted down stats but didn't have PT running when posting. |
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Riddim
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| Ok, just curious to see how reliable the AF was. Vs. someone like that I really don't think there's a need for a blocking bet because it's not very likely he'll bluff or bet worse for value. This pretty much means that it's a question of whether we can get enough value from a bet to prefer it over a c/f imo and I think we might with a small bet. |
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