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irulual · High Card Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 5

Okay, here is the scenario:

I'm on the button in a cash game. One loose aggressive player raises to 3x the big from mid. The player (Also very loose but passive) to his left calls and I decide to call with JhTc. (Both blinds fold)

The flop comes 8d Jd 3h. First position raises a little under 2/3rds the pot. Second player folds. Now, I fold here BUT here is my question:

Theoretically I think I should have raised it up, calling his bet and then betting the pot. Would that have been the proper play here?

BTW, he showed KQd, meaning he had the flush draw. My problem was, I had a feeling that he was probably going to call any bet here and I didn't feel like going all in and loosing a quarter of my stack here.

Please leave a reply with reason for your vote.

HuJwang · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:29 am Post subject:

what are the stack sizes of all the players involved?

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

I see I'm the only guy to see raising it.

irulual · High Card Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 5

bdbranch · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject:

irulual · High Card Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 5

bdbranch · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject:

So raised to 6, caller, you call, blinds fold
Flop (21 in pot)
Villain raises 13 or so. He has 80 more left.

You only have two choices, test him or fold. If your confident that he's going to play regardless, I'd probably let him have it unless I believed I'd clearly beat him.

jesse6520 · Straight Flush Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Posts: 367

fold is terrible.

calling is prob the best.

I suggest though, that before you overcall j10o for a raise to have some reads on postflop tendencies of villains because you will be in these hardish spots quite often.

HuJwang · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:11 am Post subject:

i would usually call the flop bet and re-evaluate on the turn. raising is not so good because you build a big pot with a medium-strength hand. this is one of those spots where you have to strike a balance between protecting your hand from the flush draw, and protecting your stack from getting committed. with a hand this weak, protecting your stack is more important.

StevieWard · Message Board Junkie Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 1554

I fold preflop, and voted the bottoom option. If I'm not allowed to fold I 3-bet and try to take it down before the cards come out if I had to.

mapp888 · Three of a Kind Joined: 01 Jun 2008 Posts: 94

i prob wud call on the button with J10 cos although a marginal hand its a good drawing hand and theres value in the pot cos there was a caller as well. and youre on the button and generally you will win more and lose less on the button.

against a loose agressive player, i wud call the flop bet with top pair. i wudnt fold becos there is a high chance that i hav the best hand cos hes a loose player. and on the button im in control of the pot and i can see what he will do next on turn and reevaluate. if you raise him on the flop then he might reraise u all in with 2 overcards and a flush draw (hes agressive afterall).

against hyper aggressive players i like to call alot on the button because there is a highliklihood i hav the best hand. obviously i wud fold the bad hands. but in this situation a top pair on the button is too good for me to pass. if u call him down and lose the pot then it wud show him that ure willing to call him down and he wont bluff u in future pots.

irulual · High Card Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 5

PokerJessO · Straight Flush Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 412

Starvingwriter · Full House Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 174

Never call with a hand you're planning on folding even if you hit. Hitting top pair on a fairly weak board is really the best you can hope for here. Your opponent is loose, he's going to bet the flop regardless of what comes, and probably bet it enough to take you off any straight draws.

so basically, you were calling hoping to hit a great hand (2 pair, a set, or a flopped straight). Either that, or you were planning on chasing a straight draw with bad odds, especially when the likely parts of your straight (A,K, or Q) are likely to give an opponent top pair that he won't fold with and will bet aggressively.

Always plan out the hand as much as you can before you put your chips in. and just about any time your strategy is "If a loose player bets at me, I'm folding top pair even if it comes out on a dry board" that's about the best possible indicator to fold preflop.

reitking1 · High Card Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

You have to call here because of what starvingwriter says. If you're going to fold this, you shouldn't have played it in the first place.

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