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digthatfunk · Three of a Kind Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 81

alright, ive never posted a hand for critique, and this guys comment made me wonder if it was the right play... he called me a river rat but i think i made about the only play possible considering my style... a fold wouldve been wrong i think. real quick before i post-- i tend to bet my outs.. i guess this might be related to a style called high variance? whatever it is, i get paid off well, between taking pots with no show(semibluff) or getting huge pots on straights and flushes.

Stage #307020342: Holdem No Limit $0.10 - 2006-03-03 12:27:47 (ET)
Table: DEL DR. (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - DIGTHATFUNK ($10.95 in chips)
Seat 5 - GDEY9901 ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 6 - BLUFFER316 ($27.93 in chips)
Seat 7 - KB128 ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 9 - LAPTHONY ($10 in chips)
Seat 1 - APOCALYPSE6 ($12.75 in chips)
GDEY9901 - Posts small blind $0.10
BLUFFER316 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DIGTHATFUNK [7d 6d]
KB128 - Folds
LAPTHONY - Folds
APOCALYPSE6 - Folds
DIGTHATFUNK - Calls $0.25
GDEY9901 - Calls $0.15
BLUFFER316 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [Jd 6c Qd]
GDEY9901 - Checks
BLUFFER316 - Checks
DIGTHATFUNK - Bets $0.50
GDEY9901 - Calls $0.50
BLUFFER316 - Folds
*** TURN *** [Jd 6c Qd] [Kh]
GDEY9901 - Checks
DIGTHATFUNK - Bets $0.75
GDEY9901 - Raises $1.50 to $1.50
DIGTHATFUNK - Calls $0.75
*** RIVER *** [Jd 6c Qd Kh] [2d]
GDEY9901 - Bets $1
DIGTHATFUNK - Raises $3 to $3
GDEY9901 - Calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DIGTHATFUNK - Shows [7d 6d] (Flush, queen high)
GDEY9901 - Mucks
DIGTHATFUNK Collects $10.25 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($10.75) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [Jd 6c Qd Kh 2d]
Seat 1: APOCALYPSE6 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: DIGTHATFUNK (dealer) won Total ($10.25) HI:($10.25) with Flush, queen high [7d 6d - B:Qd,B:Jd,P:7d,P:6d,B:2d]
Seat 5: GDEY9901 (small blind) HI: [Mucked] [As 10d]
Seat 6: BLUFFER316 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 7: KB128 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: LAPTHONY Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Alright, first of all... 67 suited on the button... was my limp right? i think so. Second... flop comes, ive got a pair(bottom granted, but still something...trip/2pair outs) plus a flush draw. i love to bet these hands,, especially to weakness. with his reraise on the turn i put him on the straight, but 75 cents more into this pot for the river isnt bad... plus the implied odds, obviously. if i dont like the river, i can still get away from it, too. i dont know. just wondering if keeping up like this will be a good strategy in the long run... i use it more on cash than tournys by the way.
thanks in advance,
dig

matt2411 · Royal Flush Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 559

you played that O-K. you had a ton of outs, you had a pair and a draw.

i dont like your limp with 67s. you dont have the implied odds or pot odds to call here. suited connectors play best in multiway pots

Your bet on the flop was fine to me, you improved and you had a draw.

i however dont like the bet on the turn. would have been better to check for a free card there so you dont get reraised. at this point i would be wary of the straight or maybe 2 pair - too many people at low limits will play any 2 face cards, those reduce your outs to only 9 from 14. also, checking gives you a free card, and with bottom pair, you really cant challenge anything at this point. your bet on the flop made him check to you on the turn.

that guy made a horrible play by minraising you on the turn, with his straight he should have reraised you 3-4x your bet to push you out or give you improper odds to call if you were on 2 pair or a flush draw, the extra 75 cents into that pot is still giving you correct odds to call.

everytime you are in position in a hand you need to ask yourself, what do i want to do? what will a free card do to me? will it hurt me? will it help me? how much stronger or weaker will it make your hand.

If you have T8o and the flop is 842, you NEED to bet -- free cards would kill you. half the deck if not more would be scary, a 3 or 5 makes a straight of some sort, a 4 or 2 pairs the board, a 6 or 7 makes another straight possibility, and 9, j, q, k , a will have you beat.

in this case you have bottom pair and a flush draw. on the turn you could very well be beat, and why risk getting check raised, a free card cant hurt you at all. any diamond will help you. but otherwise the A-T or 9T straight is scary where you have only 9 outs (diamonds), as is JK, JQ, KQ which would have your 2 pair dead, leaving you with only 11 outs, and if someone has kx, qx, jx, you still have your full 14 outs - however its not something i would bank on.

On the river i think you could have gotten away with a 4x raise to make it almost the size of the pot, he did show strength on the turn, and he did bet on the river. So the river bet is good, maybe you could have gotten a bit more.

Gypsydc · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject:

I like suited connectors also but considering it was only you and the blinds I would have folded it. Regardless, you both fished, you just caught a bigger one...and that's all I have to say about that.

iRockhoes · Pair Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 36

alright this is a case of neither of you maximizing your profit. let me first tell you a couple things you can improve on to get more money out of ur hand in the long run. You are trying to play a style that is very successful at higher limits, but you need to tweak some things.

1. Never limp the button when it is folded to you preflop. I know ive posted before and said you can never say an action should not be done all the time in poker, but im saying never now. The only time you might consider limping the button is heads up, and that is very sparaingly and read dependant. If you are playing 67 suited here, you have to make people think you have a big hand. That way if a high flop hits theyll assume u hit it and u can bet and take it down, and if a low flop hits, you at least have a draw if not a made hand already. Raise to your standard raise at the table, usually around 3 times the BB or 75 cents.

2. You hit a pretty good flop for your hand. You have a flush draw and bottom pair. this gives you 14 outs to even AA right now, which is a little less than 50/50 and your ahead of any unpaired hand unless he has a higher draw. You have to bet like the pot is already yours and its sad he still thinks he has a shot at it. if the pot is 75 cents on the flop, i'd bet about the size of the pot. This charges people for their draws and maybe will make them fold a J or a weak Q.

3. One caller, you have to put him on a range of hands. At this limit, a cold call out of position usually means a draw. A flush draw means he cant have paired the flop since u have the 6d. Since you have 2 diamonds he probably has a straight draw or maybe a J,such as KJ. The K on the turn is not a card you want to see. K10, 10/9, KJ, KQ, A10, AK are now all putting a severe hurting on you. He makes a mistake and checks thinking youll keep betting. if you have his range of hands determined its safe to check here and throw away to a bet on the river if u dont improve.

4. You hit your hand on the river. This is low limit so people are looking only at their hands, he wants to know how much he can get in there with his "winning hand." when he bets 1, id go ahead and set him all in. at this level id say A10 calls 4 times out of 5. People at this level are playing their cards, not worrying what you might be betting. Hes got his nut straight and hes probably not going anywhere. If he folds, then you have to be cautious as people will start calling you more the more bets you make.

This strategy works well in the long run, you just need to be betting more agressive, as people want to call down bluffers and show how good they are.

He also should have either just smooth called for the trap or raised harder to charge you for your draw. You won the hand but you can play it better using ur style to your advantage in the long run.

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

just wanted to say one thing... thanks for coming here and helping us lower-limit players... its nice to get advice from some of the higher-stakes players on this site, and your advanced strategy is welcome...

iRockhoes · Pair Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 36

no problem i can answer the easy questions just dont give me any hard ones, ill look dumb. anything above 1/2 nl im stumped

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