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nilgiri · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:08 am Post subject:

Call it is! (BTW, I agree with all points, dc.)

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HAND #28
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 30/60 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (BTN): 919
Hero (SB): 4,068
landocaly (BB): 1,640
fladimiir (UTG): 2,173
Tyler AAAA (UTG+1): 1,375
Mcclaud222 (MP): 790
Chouby75 (CO): 2,535

Pre-Flop: (90) T

A

dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, Chouby75 raises to 180, Wood16 folds, Hero calls 150, landocaly folds

Flop: (420) 3

7

4

(2 Players)
Hero ???

Well... here I am OOP. Donk bet or check?

dcdoorknob · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject:

I'd check it.

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

I think that the question now really is how seriously does this guy think you're a donk? I don't think you should play the cards now, but play the player!

I would put out one of those annoying feeler bets of 1/4 or 1/2 the pot, only to see how he reacts. Again, just to get information on how he plays.

1/4 of the pot seems REALLY weak, but some players will interpret it as "really strong". Weak = strong, you know? so sometimes, weak = weak will even win you some hands...

Laughing

But I'm not guaranteeing that it will work against this guy. Smile

nilgiri · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:44 am Post subject:

Yeah, I can see taking a stab at it with a weird small bet, since he likely missed this flop. I think that is generally spew, though. And, in fact, given my image it probably will be interpreted as weak. I just check it.

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HAND #28
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 30/60 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (BTN): 919
Hero (SB): 4,068
landocaly (BB): 1,640
fladimiir (UTG): 2,173
Tyler AAAA (UTG+1): 1,375
Mcclaud222 (MP): 790
Chouby75 (CO): 2,535

Pre-Flop: (90) T

A

dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, Chouby75 raises to 180, Wood16 folds, Hero calls 150, landocaly folds

Flop: (420) 3

7

4

(2 Players)
Hero checks, Chouby75 bets 375, Hero ???

goomlah · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject:

folds like a girl unless you think he's bluffing

nilgiri · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject:

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

dcdoorknob · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:20 am Post subject:

I don't know that its the best play, but I will quite often just fold the AT even if I think a raise might take it. I like saving those moves for later when I'm under more pressure to accumulate chips in a short time, and hopefully passing on a spot like this will give me a little more ability to steal a bigger pot later....

KQ, I think a raise to isolate the shorty (or get him to fold) is a fine plan.

nilgiri · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject:

Why do we want to isolate shorty? Do we really think we are ahead of him after he raised UTG?

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

nilgiri · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:52 am Post subject:

Well, I'm not convinced about reraising KQs against the UTG shorty. But I'd like to hear more about this. Anyway, I just called.

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HAND #30
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 30/60 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (MP): 919
Hero (CO): 3,138
landocaly (BTN): 1,550
fladimiir (SB): 2,113
Tyler AAAA (BB): 1,465
Mcclaud222 (UTG): 790
Chouby75 (UTG+1): 3,525

Pre-Flop: (90) K

Q

dealt to Hero (CO)
Mcclaud222 raises to 180, 2 folds, Hero calls 180, landocaly folds, fladimiir calls 150, Tyler AAAA calls 120

Flop: (720) A

7

Q

(4 Players)
fladimiir checks, Tyler AAAA checks, Mcclaud222 checks, Hero ???

What now?

dcdoorknob · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

You have a point, I glazed over the raiser's position before. I just looked back a little at this guy's previous actions, and he seems pretty tight/passive, so I guess his UTG raise does deserve some respect.

As played, I guess its possible someone is slow playing a better hand, but unless its trips or AQ that would seem to be a pretty bad idea (not that I think slow playing is necessarily best with those either, but that is a different discussion). it seems reasonable to think you could have the best hand, but it is certainly too vulnerable to give a free card to 3 opponents. I'd bet out around 400 and see what happens.

JDizzzle72 · Royal Flush Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 528

UTG shorty could have an ace, trying to get as many chips as possible from his hand, but it would seem a poor play considering the 2 spades. AA and QQ are possible, I don't think 77 would be played UTG by a shorty - not enough chips to go mining for sets effectively.

I agree that you need to figure out where you stand. A bet of 300-400 is what I'd do, obviously calling if the short stack pushes (since he only has 610 left anyhow). I just think it's too drawy of a board to let free cards come off considering 3 opponents

quantumsuicide · Two Pair Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 55

I bet 300

nilgiri · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject:

I checked here. I don't believe it is worth the cost of betting here just to know whether I am behind or not. I can't really bet for value. If I get a call, I don't know whether I am facing a monster or a flush draw. I'd much prefer keeping the pot small and just getting out if there is too much action. But I've expressed my views on betting flops like this before... Wink

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HAND #30
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Full Tilt Poker, $24 + $2 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 30/60 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Wood16 (MP): 919
Hero (CO): 3,138
landocaly (BTN): 1,550
fladimiir (SB): 2,113
Tyler AAAA (BB): 1,465
Mcclaud222 (UTG): 790
Chouby75 (UTG+1): 3,525

Pre-Flop: (90) K

Q

dealt to Hero (CO)
Mcclaud222 raises to 180, 2 folds, Hero calls 180, landocaly folds, fladimiir calls 150, Tyler AAAA calls 120

Flop: (720) A

7

Q

(4 Players)
fladimiir checks, Tyler AAAA checks, Mcclaud222 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (720) 4

(4 Players)
fladimiir checks, Tyler AAAA checks, Mcclaud222 checks, Hero ???

Now there is a three-flush on the board. But it is checked to me again. What to do?

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