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Ghettostamps · Pair Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 31 Location: Boston

Usually you hear these stories of people with their bad beats and how their aces never seem to win. Well today I have a different complaint.

Im playing in my first 1 dollar 90 man tourny which is such a briliant idea, thank you full tilt, when I am not that high on chips. I get QQ in early position and just call because we haven't gone a round without raising and my idea is that I will move all in to get this hand one on one. Well the table is going around and there was of course a mediocre raise and when I try to move all in, I can't! there is no option but to just call the measily 160 chips!

So now everyone gets to see the flop and my q's are higher than anything on the board so I now move all in and get 2 callers, the winner is the limper with the A2 of spades catching the flush.

Im not pissed I lost to the flush, it was a $1 tourny. Im pissed because I couldnt move all in, did I miss something? The only real problem is if I wanted to play again, I would have to wait another 20 minutes for another 90 tourny.

Jaconda78 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177

What were blinds? If the raise to 160 was less than the legal minimum raise, then you do not have the option to reraise.

Otto410 · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject:

The only rational explanation is that all the increased raises were below the minimum of a "true" raise. In other words, someone behind you went "all in' but had less than the amount of a raise. Everyone else continued to limp. Thus when the action got around to the big blind, there was no raise above the minimum --- and thus no opportunity to re-raise.

You didn't specify the level, so I'll use this example:

You -- limp for 160
next action - All in for 300 -- notable because it is more than your limp, but below the minimum "raise" amount of 320.
Button - call 320 -- or limp
SB and BB do the same.

No actual raiser. No abilit to re-raise.

Make sense?

Gypsydc · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject:

Hmm. I would think you should have the ability to move all in here too, it's NL, it's not your fault he didn't have enough to cover the minimum bet, but he did bet nonetheless.

bottlecapthief · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: Re:

bottlecapthief · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject:

Its funny, I'm in a tourney right now, and had KK in MP. The blinds were 20/40, and BB is sitting with 30 more in front of him. The first 4 people limp in front of me, so I plan on limping (I know, I know) with the purpose of re-raising when the BB pushed all in. Well everyone at the table calls, BB pushes all in for another 30. Wont you know it, when everyone calls the 30 up to me, I only have a call option. The flop came 6c 5c 3c. I was holding the Kc, but with a full table I was forced to check it down to the river. So, sorry for doubting you buddy.

TilterDoug · Site Admin Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 297

In no-limit, if a raise by an all-in player is any less than a full raise, then it does not re-open the betting.

For example, the blinds are 50-100, someone limps under the gun, you raise to 300, and there is a short stack on the button who pushes all in. The limper calls, and the action is back to you.

If the button's stack is 499 or less, then you can not re-raise. Even though the short stack technically "raised", since his raise was not a full raise, it is treated just like a call.

If the button's stack is 500 or more, then you would be able to re-raise.

The limper would be able to re-raise no matter what, because he is technically re-raising you, and not the short stacked player.

This rule can have a big impact on your betting. Let's say you have pocket Aces in the scenario above. The player limps, and the button behind you has 400 chips total, and you have a good feeling he will move all in no matter what. You should raise to 250 total. Then he will push all in for 400 total, and if the limper calls, you will have the option to re-raise since the short stack's raise was exactly 150 more.

bottlecapthief · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:06 am Post subject:

Thank you for clearing that up Doug.

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