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71% |
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14% |
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14% |
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Flying_Kiwi
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 Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: A2o SB Super Turbo |
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I'm curious about ranges people are using in these SNGs, especially after you've doubled and there's more decisions to make.
What's your play here and why? I added a poll for fun but still interested in people writing in their move too with an explanation.
Looking general replies, but this villain is slightly on the tight side compared to avg play in these games.
Full Tilt Poker Game #6695638556: $3.50+$0.30 Sit&Go (Sup Turbo) (50892956), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:31:05 ET - 2008/06/04
Seat 3: HarryParatestis (462)
Seat 6: Flying_Kiwi (900)
Seat 7: Ghaleon0721 (440)
Seat 8: JOANNE34 (235)
Seat 9: Jugon31 (663)
Flying_Kiwi posts the small blind of 30
Ghaleon0721 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Flying_Kiwi [2d Ac]
JOANNE34 folds
Jugon31 folds
HarryParatestis folds
Flying_Kiwi ?? |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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With that many chips, I'd just complete the blind. There no point in trying to get aggressive here, considering the field will thin to ITM in no time.
If the BB has shown much passiveness up until this point, I may make a 4x BB raise to take his 60 chips. |
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KronX
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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min raise. (just as good as a 3x bet in these)
If he pushes all in fold.
If he just calls, min c-bet, then fold unless you hit. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Anything but shoving/folding seems pretty terrible, but I don't know the structure of these tourneys so I don't really know which of those is best. If I had to guess I'd say it's a shove though. |
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live4freerolls
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
With that many chips, I'd just complete the blind. There no point in trying to get aggressive here, considering the field will thin to ITM in no time.
If the BB has shown much passiveness up until this point, I may make a 4x BB raise to take his 60 chips. |
That would be so horrid. You can't fold to a shove then and it gives you less fold equity then a shove imo. Completing in the small blind is bad too.
I shoves. |
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Flying_Kiwi
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'm thinking:
shove>fold>limp>raise |
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Starvingwriter
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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In this situation, I'm shoving. You have him covered, so he has more to lose than you do, and you have A/x, which in a lot of super turbo situations is plenty good enough (especially late position).
Then again, I've had the most success in super turbos when playing them very aggressively, especially when you have the other guy covered. I could see making a strong case to shove ATC here, so A2o looks like premium to me.
Imo you can't just limp with this hand.
1. If he's got you beat, he's going to raise you preflop, as A/x and pairs are pretty much premium.
2. If you do have him beat, you should have shoved.
The problem here, is that if you just call, you're either 1) letting him see a flop with a weaker hand, letting him out draw you or 2) putting him in a great spot to pre-flop bluff raise.
For a lot of reasons, I shove here. |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Shove IMHO.
Although limping to trips mine is really good too. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| live4freerolls wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
With that many chips, I'd just complete the blind. There no point in trying to get aggressive here, considering the field will thin to ITM in no time.
If the BB has shown much passiveness up until this point, I may make a 4x BB raise to take his 60 chips. |
That would be so horrid. You can't fold to a shove then and it gives you less fold equity then a shove imo. Completing in the small blind is bad too.
I shoves. |
I concede that 4x BB is a poor choice. For some reason I thought the BB was nearly as deep as the OP.
I don't see anything wrong with limping, though, to play a bit cautious. These field get ITM so quickly, and there seems to be no reason to risk 1/2 your stack when you can bring it to the Top 3. |
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dcdoorknob
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Shove shove shove. All day every day. |
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Flying_Kiwi
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
| I don't see anything wrong with limping, though, to play a bit cautious. |
I don't think limping is a terrible move, but I think it's worse than shove/fold. Also, from what I've seen, I really don't think you want to play these games 'a bit cautious'. Agression is the key.
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| Although limping to trips mine is really good too. |
+1 |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Flying_Kiwi wrote: |
| Also, from what I've seen, I really don't think you want to play these games 'a bit cautious'. Agression is the key. |
Yes, aggression is very important in these, but only to the extent of building up a nice chip stack, which you've already done here. No need to piss it away when you can find a better spot to risk 1/2 your stack.
I just don't see the need in shoving here, only to get called by a guy who views your shove as a steal and calls with his (2) live cards. You're potentially risking 1/2 of your stack here as a small favorite. |
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Flying_Kiwi
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| That's fine cubbies - but if that's your reasoning I think you're better off folding than limping/raising because you'll probably still be stuck with the same decision (whether to get your stack in with a slight edge or none) when he either shoves back over the limp or shoves the flop. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Flying_Kiwi wrote: |
| That's fine cubbies - but if that's your reasoning I think you're better off folding than limping/raising because you'll probably still be stuck with the same decision (whether to get your stack in with a slight edge or none) when he either shoves back over the limp or shoves the flop. |
I agree, and just to be clear, now that I'm clearly seeing the stack sizes, raising anything except a shove is horrible. |
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mathman1115
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Eh, I think Kronx has it right here. I like the min raise in these situations. If he has trash you can take the blinds without risking your whole stack, and you can still fold if he shoves without bleeding too much away.
If he only had 200 chips or less, then i shove of course. His stack is still to big for that, and he will be protecting it trying to get to the money, so the min raise is effective here. |
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