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doyle11 Straight
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 110
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: minimum bets |
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| I play on tbls where ppl make alot of minimum bets and i find them extrmely annoying. Like bettin 30 into 600 pots. Im wanderin wats the best strategy against this. I tried callin it most of the time because im gettin the odds to but it actually hurts my stack. |
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Moshiach Message Board Junkie
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 2281
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah i hate this when on drawing hands, you've got the decision of calling and hoping to hit, or raising and trying to take the pot there, but if they call your raise and you don't hit ya stuffed. |
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jpeterson007 Pair
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Frontier SK Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel ok with that situation because it is pretty much a free card. My strategy is usually call the first one and if I don't improve just drop the hand |
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Zophar Moderator
Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 3640 Location: East Coast
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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If it seems like they do it regularly, and at the showdown generally flip a mid pr or fairly weak hand, I'll go over the top whether I have it or not. It really all depends on the players betting and fold to aggression habits.
Another thing I find interesting is the minimum raise. To me, a minimum raise means "please call" or "please reraise me". Then when you crack their hand, they whine that you called with THAT. Pretty funny stuff.  |
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Jaconda78 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty bad about taking notes, but a min bet is something I'll take notes on religiously - what they min raise with preflop, what they min bet, etc. If I see that they always min bet a middle pocket pair on a board of high cards, I'll start raising those bets. I will also write down if they call raises - if they min bet but will call any raise with total garbage, I stop raising them. Just take notes and see what this person does that with. |
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SaylorMarsh Two Pair
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 67 Location: Mishawaka, IN
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: Re: minimum bets |
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| doyle11 wrote: |
| I play on tbls where ppl make alot of minimum bets and i find them extrmely annoying. Like bettin 30 into 600 pots. Im wanderin wats the best strategy against this. I tried callin it most of the time because im gettin the odds to but it actually hurts my stack. |
As Erik Seidel says, "It depends."
Like Jaconda said, take notes. Some people min-bet because they want you to call; some people min-bet because they think checking looks weak and any bet, no matter how small, is better.
If I'm getting the right pot odds, I call. If it's too much of a drain on your stack to call minimum bets, then you should have either a) folded preflop or b) went all-in preflop. If your stack is that short, then you can't be messing around calling dinky bets.
And Jaconda, if a player min-bets and calls raises with trash, then I definitely want to raise him. Hard. Every time.
Assuming I'm not holding trash myself, that is. |
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bright star Four of a Kind
Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 269
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: Another reason for min-bet: timeout fold. |
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| We are playing online. There is always a chance that an opponent may have a connection problem, or another window popping up, and just not respond in time - so a min-bet where you would normally check will occasionally gain you a bonus accidental fold. |
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Jaconda78 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 4177
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Re: minimum bets |
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And Jaconda, if a player min-bets and calls raises with trash, then I definitely want to raise him. Hard. Every time.
Assuming I'm not holding trash myself, that is. |
Exactly - my point was that then I want to have a hand to raise, whereas if they fold I will do it with total junk. |
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Barleymalt High Card
Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah I'm with brightstar on this. If I suspect a person is multi-tabling or otherwise distracted I will make minimum bets rather than checking on the chance they will fold without realizng how cheaply they could have played. |
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KarlDykhuis Flush
Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 135 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
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I could be way off, but I've always viewed a min bet, or min raise for that matter, as it could be either a sign of a weak hand (low pair with an A or K on the board) or a monster. To me it can be tricky since I'm not the greatest player. It's just so tempting to reraise a min bet into a large pot even if you have nothing, but the fear is that the opponant will come back over the top. Min bets are one of the most frustrating things to me.
I will take the above advice on taking notes on players who consistantly min bet or min raise. Great advice right there! |
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iuz the old Three of a Kind
Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 85 Location: chicago
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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I don't find min. bets to be that annoying as they don't really affect how I am going to play my hand.
I generally treat a min bet as a non bet (except when the blinds are high relative to the stacks) and will raise if I have a decent piece of the flop. If I am on any draw I will simply call , grateful for the free card. I might raise on the flop if I feel my opponent is trying to defend a drawing hand. Also I might raise my own draw in position (on the flop) if I know him to be the sort of player that makes small flop bets but big turn bets. This gives me the best chance to see the river while giving me a shot at winning the hand right there.
The issue of pre flop min raising is much trickier , here a good read is essential IMO. I am more wary of a button min raise than an utg min raise for the simple reason that premiums want heads up action and the former is much more likely to get it. |
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