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pghbandit
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 Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: Can anyone actually make a case for a call this stupid? |
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I'm playing relatively tight, and only playing roughly 20% of hands dealt.
What kind of moron calls here with 3's?
At best he's in a race, even with garbage. WTF
PokerStars Game #17696900840: Tournament #89732318, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2008/05/26 - 02:36:51 (ET)
Table '89732318 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: azntracker (1050 in chips)
Seat 3: LAPINKY (1840 in chips)
Seat 4: pghbandit (2580 in chips)
Seat 5: DGrass (3714 in chips)
Seat 6: ddtinkler (714 in chips)
Seat 7: tanotango (2577 in chips)
Seat 8: nychustler11 (1025 in chips)
LAPINKY: posts small blind 50
pghbandit: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pghbandit [Qh Qc]
DGrass: folds
ddtinkler: folds
tanotango: folds
nychustler11: folds
azntracker: folds
LAPINKY: raises 200 to 300
pghbandit: raises 2280 to 2580 and is all-in
LAPINKY: calls 1540 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (740) returned to pghbandit
*** FLOP *** [8d 3d 7c]
*** TURN *** [8d 3d 7c] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [8d 3d 7c Js] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LAPINKY: shows [3h 3s] (three of a kind, Threes)
pghbandit: shows [Qh Qc] (a pair of Queens)
LAPINKY collected 3680 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3680 | Rake 0
Board [8d 3d 7c Js Ah]
Seat 1: azntracker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: LAPINKY (small blind) showed [3h 3s] and won (3680) with three of a
kind, Threes
Seat 4: pghbandit (big blind) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: DGrass folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ddtinkler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: tanotango folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: nychustler11 folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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Starvingwriter
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: |
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I have seen a lot of poor players assume that if they have a pocket pair, the odds of another pocket pair are really unlikely.
I also have seen a lot of poor players try to just get lucky and double up early.
I dunno what to tell you. I played in a six man SnG tonight that somehow got 45 minutes in with all six players remaining. I raised with AJs, the next guy shoved all in, and I called, thinking I was probably beat, but just wanting it to be over because it's 3 a.m. here..  Surprise, he's holding K5o and I take all his chips.
It's easy to be frustrated, but just remember - 4 times out of 5 in this same position, you'll take the donkeys chips. |
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Badlydrawnboy
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I'm not making a case for his call (which was bad, no discussion about it), but why did you desperately want to go all-in?
Seems like a weak move to me, it might be the reason why he called you...
If I see someone go all-in like this, I'm always suspicious. If they have a good hand, why would they want to chase everyone away? |
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jeremysuave
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| And don't forget, you actually want him to call here with that hand. |
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supfool123
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Badlydrawnboy wrote: |
Seems like a weak move to me, it might be the reason why he called you...
If I see someone go all-in like this, I'm always suspicious. If they have a good hand, why would they want to chase everyone away? |
Because they are willing to call with horrible hands just like this or even worse. I see it as reverse psychology. In Mike Caro's book of Tells, he talks about if they act strong they are ususally weak and if they act weak they are actually strong. I think a lot of players just don't believe you when you bet your good or great hands. The bad part about this is that this is when you will encounter the part of the game that sucks, The Suckout!! They are horrible and they will happen, but if you constantly get your money in when you are a good favorite then it will pay off in the long run.
Key parts for this to work out in the end are:
1) Believe in yourself and your game.
2) Get use to The Suckout.
3) Know that in the long run that you will come out on top.
4) ***STAY WITHIN YOUR BANKROLL***
There is obviously more to it, but it's still early and I have to go.
GL at the tables,
supfool123 |
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rockycatt
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| its coin flip mentality just like the crap table |
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supfool123
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| rockycatt wrote: |
| its coin flip mentality just like the crap table |
In this case it's far from a coinflip, about 80/20. This is where you want to be with all of you money in the pot. Now if he had AK sooooted or unsoooooted it's about 55/45, imo I still want my money in here. This is part of Skalansky's Fundamental Theorem. If you knew what your opponent was holding, is there anything that you would change in how you played the hand? Even in the AK situation, I would hope the answer is no.
Thanks and GL at the tables,
supfool123 |
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Poka God
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Joined: 26 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| by the chips stacks he may have thought you were being a bully and he just wanted to get it over with...Maybe he hadnt see a hand in a while and was frustrated. ALL I can say to you my friend, and I promise this...IT WONT BE THE LAST TIME IT HAPPENS!!! |
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pghbandit
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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It's a tilt breeder.....
Anyway, I knew all the responses I going to get, and was pretty much just venting, and advertising how horrible this play was.
replies in no particular order....
1. shove against the seemingly tightish/ weak SB, to induce a bad call (as received), and to get any ace to fold.
2. Yes it is above my normal bankroll, since I generally play $20 and $30 S-n-G's however, It is a WSOP step 4 on PS. I won the entry, and have been doing well. I have about $70.00 invested in these.
3. Even though it is above my normal roll, I was stunned to find myself as pretty much the best player at the table. There was 1 guy I would consider as better, but he was practically invisible the whole game.
4. My point is this, Realize the inherent weakness of small pocket pairs, and I would never recommend putting my tournament life at risk with a utterly horrible call like this. He has Fold Equity, this barely puts him down to 15 BB's. And why call an all in from the Chip leader, who if you have been paying any sort of attention would not go all in with 2's (since that is the ONLY hand you dominate).
5. And for a few that said they make "suspicious calls." The one thing I have learned when playing against a weak player is the don't lose thier chips betting, they lose them calling. I had absolutely no doubt that I was ahead here, and figured it was 60% ( and I figured to be at least a 70% favorite) that he would call. I think I played the hand fine. My thing is what on God's Green Earth would make you call here with 3's?
6. Enough said... 
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IABoomer
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| To bad players, any pre-flop raise = AK. Always, no questions asked. You could be playing 15/2 and if you raise pre-flop, they're putting you on AK. |
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