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kummi90 High Card
Joined: 23 May 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: Difficulty Level - Play Money |
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I'm currently playing with playchips, my "roll" is about 100K and i do 10K sit n go's.. Now, i find it very hard to win, becasue I feel that the difficulty level is generally low, so even if I apply correct (to my knowledge;I don't consider myself cocky, im just frustrated!) strategies, I lose, because people play badly, i.e. suck out, play lousy and, play generally wrong, hoping to catch a card that will make them favorite. I lost about 10 Sit n go's in a row, and i was wondering if this is the expected "ups and downs" or is it because of the low difficulty level eg people playing bad?
Also, at what time will people play more serious? 100K or 1000K buy ins??
Any coments or thoughs are highly appreciated  |
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kummi90 High Card
Joined: 23 May 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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And also, If anyone has ideas for when both real cash games, and real money sit n go's begin to be serious, eg poeple play generally more correct, please post it so that other people wondering this can have a clue... thank you  |
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nilgiri Message Board Junkie
Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 2087 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Losing 10 SnGs in a row is not impossible, even for a very good player. This is why most people recommend a bankroll of at least 20x the buyin. On the other hand, it is doubtful that if the 10 losses in a row is a problem it is because you are playing "bad" players, it is more likely to be a problem with the way you play against these players.
As far as when games begin to be serious: This is a common question, and it doesn't have a very good answer. There are serious people and complete idiots at every level. I've played (regularly) play money games all the way up to $100 real money games, and I can tell you that these games will never lack idiots. And this is a good thing, too.
Lots of people will tell you that if you can't beat the low level donks, you won't be able to beat the higher level games either. I don't quite agree with that, but I will say that if you can't beat the low level donks, you are missing a fundamental poker skill: the ability to change your game depending on whom you are playing. |
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cjenkins13 Two Pair
Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Posts: 55 Location: pokerville
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Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| The good players suckout too |
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Starvingwriter Full House
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 174
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| nilgiri wrote: |
| There are serious people and complete idiots at every level. |
It's the truth. And, if you're playing solid poker, you want the table full of donkeys over the table full of semi-pros any day of the week. You might not be able to get a donkey to lay down a hand when you bluff, but you won't get him to lay down a hand when you have kings, either. |
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Peepers_au Royal Flush
Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 621 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Difficulty Level - Play Money |
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| kummi90 wrote: |
| Also, at what time will people play more serious? 100K or 1000K buy ins?? |
The answer is never.
Go watch a high stakes 6-handed play chip cash table. You'll still see people open limping and playing about 50-60% of hands like fools. Sure, you'll find the occasional player who's not a complete idiot, but when there are no consequences for losing you won't see real thought occurring often.
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| And, if you're playing solid poker, you want the table full of donkeys over the table full of semi-pros any day of the week. You might not be able to get a donkey to lay down a hand when you bluff, but you won't get him to lay down a hand when you have kings, either. |
The only problem with that theory is that for every 1 big hand you win, you lose 5-6 small ones that basically breaks you even. |
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Flying_Kiwi Message Board Junkie
Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 6523 Location: somewhere spacific
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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kummi90 High Card
Joined: 23 May 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| hmm ok, I guess i don't play very good poker, which i never claimed either... so basically i have to step up the game, and play BETTER basically... i also see how playing "donkeys" is generally better, i guess i'll have to ADJUSt to each table i play against... Thanks for replies people |
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kummi90 High Card
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| and FYI i just came in 1st so... i tried to stay on top, and it worked |
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Jackten11 Flush
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| I have always found this very interesting. There are donks at every level, as everyone has said. However, with donks they usually beat you by chasing or calling pre flop or something with a horrible hand you have dominated. If something like this happens, you are usually in very good odds to win these hands. Now yes there are suckouts, but think about every hand you have played. There have not been many hands for me where no matter what the river card is, I win. You could have set over set, domination, but a quad card could hit on the river. You could have the A high flush on the flop and push all in with the nuts and get called by a lower flush. If that person has 4 to the straight flush that possibility is always there as well. So from now on try this, when you got all of your money into the pot, were you substantially ahead? If so, and I know this is tough, You know you made the right move. Because 80 percent of the time you will make money off that pot. However the 20 percent of the time you lose that pot, is what makes Poker poker. |
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dabluffer90 High Card
Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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"The answer is never.
Go watch a high stakes 6-handed play chip cash table. You'll still see people open limping and playing about 50-60% of hands like fools. Sure, you'll find the occasional player who's not a complete idiot, but when there are no consequences for losing you won't see real thought occurring often"
BS, the majority of the regs who play the highest play money games could run over up to 400nl real money games imo. ive played those play tables regularly and ive played up 10knl real money.
The only time you will see horrible players at the high games are the people who buy play money from the good players (yes this happens lol) |
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nilgiri Message Board Junkie
Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 2087 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| nilgiri wrote: |
| As far as when games begin to be serious: This is a common question, and it doesn't have a very good answer. There are serious people and complete idiots at every level. I've played (regularly) play money games all the way up to $100 real money games, and I can tell you that these games will never lack idiots. And this is a good thing, too. |
To illustrate the point:
Full Tilt Poker, $100 + $9 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 25/50 Blinds, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BB: 3,305
UTG: 525
CO: 3,175
Hero (BTN): 1,325
SB: 670
Pre-Flop: (75) T 9 dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, Hero raises to 150, SB folds, BB calls 100
Flop: (325) T 6 4 (2 Players)
BB bets 325, Hero raises to 1,175 and is All-In, BB calls 850
Turn: (2,675) J (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
River: (2,675) 4 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: 2,675 Pot
BB showed A 4 (three of a kind, Fours) and WON 2,675 (+1,350 NET)
Hero showed T 9 (two pair, Tens and Fours) and LOST (-1,325 NET) |
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