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HuJwang · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: 100NL - QQ vs nit

The short stack is a drooler and can have atc.
SB is 14/5/0.90 over a couple hundred hands. However i have seen her iso-4bet a short stack before with AK so that is probably in her range here. I have seen her flat call a raise in the BB with JJ before, but I don't know how she would handle JJ in this type of spot.

I'm probably running around 25/20 or so.

Everest Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

BB ($22.35)
MP2 ($174.10) (Hero)
MP3 ($53.80)
CO ($12.90)
BTN ($155.10)
SB ($102.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q Spade

, Q

1 folds, CO calls $1.00, 1 folds, SB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3.50, CO raises All-In $12.90, SB raises to $30.80, Hero...

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

Either shoves or folds.

You only don't want to play vs AA or KK... The short stack is meaningless... So its you vs the woman.

You have to make a choice here... do you believe she has AA or KK? If so, you fold... Any other card combination you got to shove. That extremely well thought out raise (I say this, because the person who re-raises an all-in without going all-in herself is rare indeed.) leads credence to her hand to the point I think it further narrows here range to AA, KK, AK, QQ. QQ really isn't an option here so that even further narrows it.

You can't give her a chance to play on the flop as you'd fold to close to anything as she is representing extremely strong cards and I suspect that it'd be extraordinary expensive and for you there would only be 2 outs regardless.

I would personally fold. If I had a better read (and I'd have to be confident to not fold simply 4.50 in the pot), I'd likely shove. But with this... I'd fold. I just wouldn't call.

Peepers_au · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:04 am Post subject:

I guess one positive here is that even if you fold you get to see her cards and make a note for next time.

tommyjonesfan · High Card Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 5

trying to learn, so if she has aces, why not just call the CO's shove and invite hero in? Also would it be an okay move on her part to raise with AK trying to push everyone else?

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1812

I think this is one of those situations to pull out pokerstove since its an all in shove situation. The first one is QQ vs QQ+ and AKs/AKo. Second one adds in JJ, and the third one has only half of the JJ combos (in case she only does that play with JJ part of the time).

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.207% 38.35% 01.86% 19042240 923339.00 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 59.793% 57.93% 01.86% 28767898 923339.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 27440794 945878.00 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 30598090 945878.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.144% 42.44% 01.71% 23252658 935291.00 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 55.856% 54.15% 01.71% 29670488 935291.00 { QQ+, JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, AKs, AKo }

I'd have to say this is a fold given the pot odds (I calculated 45% for break even pt).

Honest_Rob · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject:

What's with the converter? Shouldn't you be first to act? Did you open raise?

Riddim · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject:

bdbranch · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject:

HuJwang · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject:

He did take that into account. In the last calculation he uses only half the JJ combinations. That's a common way of weighting different hands, because it's easy to do in PT. if you think AK needs to be given less weight then download PT and calculate it yourself.

For anyone who cares, I did end up shoving. She called with AK and won the flip.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1812

Its Poker Stove HuJwang, not PT, but I'm sure you know that.

bdbranch, those calculations are done with a program called Poker Stove. If you plug in a range of hands, it will tell you your equity in the hand and it does take into account how often likely the hands come up. It weights AK as being more likely to have than AA based on the number of possible combinations of each hand you can have. And like HuJwang said, on the last one, if you think that someone will only have a certain hand in their range half the time (or whatever % you want), then you can make the program calculate your equity in that case by changing the number of combinations.

Here is the link to the website to where you can download it for free if you want to use it:
www.pokerstove.com

HuJwang · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:12 am Post subject:

yeah stove is what i meant

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