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Honest_Rob
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 Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: AQ in the CO (line check) |
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Readless. Standard?
Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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SB: $25.25
BB: $17.50
UTG: $28.60
UTG+1: $9.75
MP1: $21.15
MP2: $46.75
Hero (CO): $25.35
BTN: $25.60
Pre-Flop: Q A dealt to Hero (CO)
3 folds, MP2 raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 3 folds
Flop: ($2.35) Q 3 8 (2 Players)
MP2 bets $1, Hero calls $1
Turn: ($4.35) 5 (2 Players)
MP2 bets $2, Hero raises to $7, MP2 raises to $44.75 and is All-In Hero folds |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| If i was gonna raise the turn I don't think I'd raise slightly smaller. Calling the turn would probably be alright too since you have the Ad so flush draws are gonna be a smaller part of his range. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| If i was gonna raise the turn I don't think I'd raise slightly smaller. Calling the turn would probably be alright too since you have the Ad so flush draws are gonna be a smaller part of his range. |
Isn't the fact that flush draws are a smaller part of his range a bad thing? That makes up a lot of the hands we're ahead of. |
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Teteban
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I'm not a great player so I might be missing something, but why raise the turn and not the flop? I think I would have raised the flop (probably less than those 5$ on the turn) and fold to a very aggresive move.
As played, I'd also fold. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
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| If i was gonna raise the turn I don't think I'd raise slightly smaller. Calling the turn would probably be alright too since you have the Ad so flush draws are gonna be a smaller part of his range. |
Isn't the fact that flush draws are a smaller part of his range a bad thing? That makes up a lot of the hands we're ahead of. |
No most of the hands we're ahead of are weaker pairs, which is likely since he is betting so small. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not a great player so I might be missing something, but why raise the turn and not the flop? I think I would have raised the flop (probably less than those 5$ on the turn) and fold to a very aggresive move.
As played, I'd also fold. |
I didn't raise the flop because it was so dry. There were no draws for me to worry about hitting and no draws for villian to call a raise and chase. There's only a few pocket pair hands that he might call a flop raise with that I still beat. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| If i was gonna raise the turn I don't think I'd raise slightly smaller. Calling the turn would probably be alright too since you have the Ad so flush draws are gonna be a smaller part of his range. |
Isn't the fact that flush draws are a smaller part of his range a bad thing? That makes up a lot of the hands we're ahead of. |
No most of the hands we're ahead of are weaker pairs, which is likely since he is betting so small. |
I still don't get it. How can thinking any draw is a smaller part of his range be a reason to call? |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| If i was gonna raise the turn I don't think I'd raise slightly smaller. Calling the turn would probably be alright too since you have the Ad so flush draws are gonna be a smaller part of his range. |
Isn't the fact that flush draws are a smaller part of his range a bad thing? That makes up a lot of the hands we're ahead of. |
No most of the hands we're ahead of are weaker pairs, which is likely since he is betting so small. |
I still don't get it. How can thinking any draw is a smaller part of his range be a reason to call? |
Because we're less worried about giving cheap cards |
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fiddlepuck
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| Raise preflop, reraise on the flop, than he doesnt push you all in with 555. And if he has AA, KK, QQ, you would have known Preflop, and could have folded.... unless he smooth calls, than you are pressing the "ADD MORE CHIPS" button. Trapping with AQ, is not a really good idea IMO. |
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Bruce10
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I don't think he was trapping pre-flop because of the previous raise. I can agree with not reraising with AQ, too many hands beat it. Most of the time, villain folds or calls when you raise on the turn, and if he calls you are ahead, so I think the hand was OK as played.
BTW, HUJ, what does "I don't think I'd raise slightly smaller" mean? You would raise larger than he did on the turn? |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| If i was gonna raise the turn I don't think I'd raise slightly smaller. Calling the turn would probably be alright too since you have the Ad so flush draws are gonna be a smaller part of his range. |
Isn't the fact that flush draws are a smaller part of his range a bad thing? That makes up a lot of the hands we're ahead of. |
No most of the hands we're ahead of are weaker pairs, which is likely since he is betting so small. |
I still don't get it. How can thinking any draw is a smaller part of his range be a reason to call? |
Because we're less worried about giving cheap cards |
I think we're talking about different things. Are we talking about calling his turn shove? Cheap cards has nothing to do with that? Are you referring to calling instead of raising the turn? I'm talking about once he shoves. |
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HuJwang
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| If i was gonna raise the turn I don't think I'd raise slightly smaller. Calling the turn would probably be alright too since you have the Ad so flush draws are gonna be a smaller part of his range. |
Isn't the fact that flush draws are a smaller part of his range a bad thing? That makes up a lot of the hands we're ahead of. |
No most of the hands we're ahead of are weaker pairs, which is likely since he is betting so small. |
I still don't get it. How can thinking any draw is a smaller part of his range be a reason to call? |
Because we're less worried about giving cheap cards |
I think we're talking about different things. Are we talking about calling his turn shove? Cheap cards has nothing to do with that? Are you referring to calling instead of raising the turn? I'm talking about once he shoves. |
Oh, yeah I'm just talking about flat calling his initial bet. I think folding to the turn shove is best against sane players. |
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