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esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

Read on opponent is LAG, extremely competent. He's trapped player 3x before this hand in very similar positions. Besides betting more on PF and the flop bet... What's your read and more specifically, does he got the ace? If we read he doesn't... do we bet high to represent weakness, or low to trap? ...or do we do the standard?

As I said, the guy is extremely competent and I still think I can represent an Ace based off his timing. Am I wrong in this or am I looking at it wrong entirely?

Edit: For the love of god, I can't get the hand converter to work, so I'll post the stack sizes unconverted.

'*********** # 150 **************
PokerStars Game #17533125484: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/05/19 -
00:36:49 (ET)
Table 'Karolinum' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jjmyth ($454.55 in chips)
Seat 2: alitostar ($92.70 in chips)
Seat 3: high_roll_03 ($336.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Alotofaction ($260.10 in chips)
Seat 5: sloppinu28 ($400 in chips)
Seat 6: esperz ($394 in chips)
alitostar: posts small blind $2
high_roll_03: posts big blind $4'

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K♣ K♠
UTG raises to $12, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $28, 3 folds, UTG calls.

6x Max
Flop: A♥ 9♦ A♠ ($62, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $28, UTG calls.

Turn: 5♦ ($118, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ?

bdbranch · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:55 am Post subject:

What level is this supposed to be? Are you claiming that this is $2/$4?

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1882

Post the hand history.

I ck behind there. I have no idea why you would want to bet to represent the ace. If this is what you are trying to do, then what are you trying to get to fold? All of the hands that would fold are hands that you beat. So you might as well let them stay in so they can either bluff or call a bet on the river.

I'd ck behind the turn for sure. But the river gets a little tricky. If he bets, he's either got an A, was on a float with QJ type of hand, or he has a mid pair hand that he turns into a bluff because he puts you on a JJ-KK hand that will fold. Whether or not I call really depends on the opponent. I know you said he was "LAG", but that really doesn't describe him that well. If he has been doing a lot of bluffing, especially if late in the hand, then you should be calling. Kind of a tricky spot though against a really good player. If he cks, then I think you can bet out since he will probably never play an A like that and there is a little value in betting.

Starvingwriter · Full House Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 173

check here, no question.

First, if you do have an ace, you are slow playing this board 99% of the time. There's no flush draw, no straight draw. So, if someone bets this on the flop, you can be relatively certain they don't have an ace.

Secondly, your opponents check says nothing. He may have the ace, he may not. Either way, if you bet here, it's lose-lose for you. If he's got rags, he folds, and no more money goes into the pot you're going to win. If he's got the ace (which likely would have been checked) you're going to lose a big fist full of chips.

Also, there's the possibility that your opponent will stick you here if you raise - if you bet here, he knows that most players would slow play the set of aces, so now that you've bet, he can represent the ace with the check-raise and you're in a bind.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1882

I disagree with you Starvingwriter about people slowplay 99% of the time and people expecting you to slowplay. While that might be true in lower stakes games, at 2/4 or 3/6 (don't know what level it is yet) players will be firing second bullets with air much more often. Because there is so much aggression in these games, slowplaying this hand would be pretty stupid. That is why the aggressive players 2nd barrel with air. Its just for situations like this so they can get paid off. So while a lot of players will slowplay this, it is not nearly as often as you think. Definately not 99%.

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

The level is 2/4.

Not to modify anyone's answer or criticize...

The vast majority of opponents will make c-bets all day long (to include me) and is actually expected. However on this particular opponent, I can't exclude his slowplaying aces as he has done this in the past to great effect.

And by post the hand history, you mean post the unconverted one or past hands?

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1882

Post the hand history of this exact hand. Convert it using Lego Poker (http://www.leggopoker.com/index.php?page=hh). The hand history that you posted shows no information. It does not show stack sizes or blinds. So use this different one.

Him slowplaying an A on a board like this does not really change the fact that you should check here. The only thing it changes is that you would be more willing to fold if he bets the river.

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

I'm avoiding doing this not because I can't get the hand, but finding it among the myriad of hands is going to be a pain in the ass for re-posting.

I'll bring it tommorow.

Edit: I can NOT get that hand converter to work. It keeps saying it converted 0 hands with 1 error.

I posted the relevant information you asked for unconverted.

yannick501 · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject:

check behing please...no draw on board so his flat call tells to me he's super strong

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

Discussion seems to be over. In this hand we both checked all the way to the river, and he flipped over 1010.

I was in much line what you guys were saying. Thanks.

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