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Wahooka · Two Pair Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 69

I've built my bankroll from $10 to $200 playing no-limit sit n goes as well as no-limit ring games online. I have a good feel for no-limit strategy... I decided to take my growing bankroll and try a limit structure. I've now had 5 losing sessions in a row... It is harder to bluff, tough to get a big pay-off, tough to know when to raise since most call anyways, and it just feels like a long boring grind... however, I know limit is important, especially since I wont likely play a no-limit game in a casino for my whole bankroll, too risky.. limit must be mastered cause its an important game that is played a lot by weak opponents and has opportunity for profit...

Any advice to improve my limit game?

Wahooka

dmoore1998 · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:

Assuming you are playing within your $200 bankroll that means you are playing pretty low limits. My advice to you is do NOT bluff at all. At a short handed table you can try it occasionally, but at a full table, bluffing at micro-limits doesn't work on a consistent basis because people will call with anything. When you do pick up a hand bet aggressively, because people will call you down. You're going to see a lot more suckouts than NL because you cannot bet enough to chase anyone out but you will also routinely get paid off by horrible hands or slim draws. I don't try anything fancy at these levels, no one understands that your check-raise is a sign of strength anyways. Basically keep it simple, play it straightforward, don't get fancy, and don't bluff unless you are heads-up post-flop...which won't happen much.

Cobra69 · Flush Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 146

thats good advice. You have to understand that in limit play (especially the low limits) most hands will go to a showdown, thus you need a hand that can hold up in a showdown situation. Don't bluff, especially in multi-way pots (there are very few exceptions, mainly if you have a good read and you're up against only one opponent). Limit play is very mechanical and will seem like a grind, but at the same time, solid play will bring in the money on a steady basis.

IAmTheVietcong · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject:

I highly recommend that you read Hold'em Poker For Advanced Players by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth. One of the best advanced Limit Hold'em books on the market. It has improved my limit Hold'em game massively.

griffinlord · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: Re:

In addition to the other good advice you've recieved I'm going to recommend

Winning Low Limit Hold'em by Lee Jones as your limit 101 course and Small Stakes Hold'em by Miller et all as your limit 201 course.

Another thing about limit is that you have much tighter starting hand requirements. NL players talk about getting their VP$IP stats down to around 25-28% while limit players talk about getting it down to around 18%!

Limit may seem boring, but it isn't. It is a much more subtle game than NL, but once you catch on to the subtlety it is quite exciting. Limit is more like chess while NL is more like WWF.

mathman1115 · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:15 am Post subject:

Never slowplay in limit, and don't get fancy. Most people don't pay attention long enough to know what you're doing anyway. ABC poker baby..........

Wahooka · Two Pair Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 69

Im not sure I understand the comparison of low-limit to chess...
since there is no fancy check-raising or bluffing, where is the
strategy? Sounds very much like a grind... wait for certain
starting hand in a certain position, bet your hand, and
hopefully you dont get drawn on... Also, I noticed in limit
you have to wait for the exact right scenario... eg if you
have pocket 66 you cant call a re-raise against 2 people,
you have to get the exact right calling odds pre-flop for
a 66 to hit and pay off... this feels more like blackjack
then chess! In no limit you can raise with 66, if you
flop a set you can get paid off huge! I dunno... just
my thoughts on limit, maybe I'm wrong..

griffinlord · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: Re:

Wahooka · Two Pair Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 69

Well for me its raise with 66, hit my set, then use the right method to
get chips, might be checking and calling... i also might fold a set
under certain circumstances... at least I can protect my set against a draw if I choose,...also, if I miss my set I can still buy the pot,.. very complexed strategy

All in all I'd say both games are rich in strategy, but the very straight forward method you've described is not too complicated... dont bluff, wait for a hand, no free cards, bet your hand... just sounds to me like all it takes is patience..

Wahooka

griffinlord · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: Re:

Wahooka · Two Pair Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 69

Maybe you are referring to the fact that pot odds and math are more important in limit, and you have to have a very keen sense for numbers, and a good sense for hand selection... I think that is what you're getting at. I have read Lee Jones book on low-limit and I found his advice to be waaaay too tight for the $3-$6 games I played in Las Vegas. I was folding so many times before the flop that I got type-cast as a very tight player, and when I did enter the pot everyone knew I had AK, AQ, or some pocket pair...they also knew I'd fold if the flop missed me, or I'd fold middle pair as he advised, and I'd seldom bluff as he advocates...I got slaughtered due to the ultra-tight play!! Lee Jones book has lost me money! I think he needs to loosen his strategy...

Wahooka

surreal1221 · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject:

There is some nice limit advice here. I've been thinking about taking it up over the next couple of weeks. Thanks for the insight everyone.

griffinlord · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: Re:

Wahooka · Two Pair Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 69

Thanks for the advice... I think that Lee Jones wrote a great book, I certainly beat all my home games with that book. But when I went out to Vegas I think the competition gets better... people will notice that you are a tight player and so they will bet against you more often. Nothing in his book really prepares you for the sharks you have to face in real life. It took me a long time to learn that I do have to call or raise with a middle pair sometimes when people are just gonna bully you...

stevn · Message Board Junkie Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 1117

howd u start wit 10 bucks?

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