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ThePhoenix78

Well, it's been a while, but I've been doing great lately...feeling very confident in my game. But here's a hand where I was really lost on what to do. The limper in this hand limps or min raises to enter most pots. The re-raiser has struck me as a solid, TAG player. Seen him raise preflop a couple of times without having to show, but in general, doesn't seem to get involved in too many pots. That said, what's your preflop play? I really had no clue...calling is probably bad, but figured he's only re-raising with TT+ and AK, so thought I'd take a flop. If it's a good flop for me, I am going broke anyways if he has KK or AA, so figured taking a flop at least gives me a chance to exit if I sense he's strong. Could be wrong though, could put me on trying to steal after the LAG limper who would often play passively. Anyways, after the flop bet, do you have to call with the overpair? AA, KK, and now JJ have me beat. Think he'd make that move with AK or on a bluff?

Full Tilt Poker Game #6451343184: $30 + $3 Sit & Go (49058453), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:14:47 ET - 2008/05/17
Seat 1: rwu2003 (2,010)
Seat 2: Contenence82 (1,505)
Seat 3: Crispt (1,395)
Seat 4: utsch (1,705)
Seat 5: ThePhoenix78 (1,615)
Seat 6: Mycology (1,140)
Seat 7: augustwest11 (1,875)
Seat 8: Gabe118 (1,605)
Seat 9: Pronto7852 (650)
Mycology posts the small blind of 25
augustwest11 posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ThePhoenix78 [Qs Qc]
Gabe118 folds
Pronto7852 folds
rwu2003 folds
Contenence82 folds
Crispt folds
utsch calls 50
ThePhoenix78 raises to 225
Mycology folds
augustwest11 has 15 seconds left to act
augustwest11 raises to 750
utsch folds
ThePhoenix78 has 15 seconds left to act
ThePhoenix78 has requested TIME
ThePhoenix78 calls 525
*** FLOP *** [7d Jc 6c]
augustwest11 bets 1,125, and is all in
ThePhoenix78 ???

live4freerolls · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject:

augustwest11 1,095 $2 $24 8% $1,925 - Seeing those stats I would fold as his range for 4betting pf is only QQ+ imo. Also flatting vs anyone there is just terrible, shove it or fold it.

craigo6x · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject:

You took a flop for 1/2 your stack and got the best possible flop for your hand. Folding here is bad. If you got outdrawn or coolered it happens. For me, if you are going to play the Qs, repush preflop.

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

I'm with craig. If you called with it already guessing what he had, saw the best flop for you, you got to shove.

I see no reason to fold based off of your PF play. What were you looking for? A K or A to justify a fold?

But reason dictates that he has you beat 75% of the time. Next time, fold it PF. As of right now, you can't fold it.

nilgiri · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:50 am Post subject:

dcdoorknob · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject:

I've played QQ like that before on a few occasions, but I was pretty well convinced afterwards that I played it wrong. I agree that the decision must be made preflop. Push it or fold it. I haven't played enough at the $30 level to know which one is best, mostly because I am just being insanely conservative in my BR management.

nilgiri · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject:

I think the only reason I would ever play QQ like that is if I am up against some weird donk who likes to try to steal by 3-betting, but folds if he gets 4-bet, despite the odds he is getting. Then it would make sense, because he'll probably try to bluff me OTF, but would otherwise fold PF. I have run into these types occasionally, but not nearly often enough that it would be that bad to never call.

With deeper stacks I might consider calling in other circumstances as well.

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

Reason I'm saying he's beat 75% of the time is this:

All preflop...
ThePhoenix78 raises to 225
Mycology folds
augustwest11 has 15 seconds left to act
augustwest11 raises to 750

What are the hands someone would reraise with against a decent raise in the first place? 4 hands come to mind... AA, KK, AK, QQ, JJ.

Of those hands, what does he have beat?

nilgiri · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject:

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