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LostOstrich
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Bad advice is still bad, even when it comes from a winning player. B00sh's post is a load of idiotic nonsense, imo. Hopefully, he was being ironic.
Ian's post is pretty much spot on. |
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ian8383
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| LostOstrich wrote: |
Bad advice is still bad, even when it comes from a winning player. B00sh's post is a load of idiotic nonsense, imo. Hopefully, he was being ironic.
Ian's post is pretty much spot on. |
Can you really call this boosh bloke a winning player.
10,000 sit and goes......what the feck. And he still gives out such useless advice.
Also, I dont know where craig came up with 40% ROI..... |
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craigo6x
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Bo0sh79 (Full Tilt Poker) statistics
Statistics includes scheduled Full Tilt Poker MTT poker tournaments and Full Tilt Poker SNG tournaments. (SNG min. 18 players).
Period
Full Tracking Last 120 days Year 2008 Year 2007 2006 (>oct) 2008 May 2008 April 2008 March 2008 February 2008 January 2007 December 2007 November 2007 October 2007 September 2007 August 2007 July 2007 June 2007 May 2007 April 2007 March 2007 February 2007 January 2006 December 2006 November
with estimated R/A expens. without any R/A expenses
ITM Finishes
1st 54 3rd 26
1st ties 35 4-10th 107
2nd 20 Other 148
Last 120 days Prizes Profit ROI ABI AFS R/A ITM ITM
Hold'em NL $54,587 $15,307 39% $23 458 22% 369/2068 18%
Hold'em L/PL $0 <$0 -100% $26 262 0% 0/1 0%
Omaha $1,730 $213 14% $17 176 3% 20/93 22%
Omaha Hi Lo $0 $0 0% $0 0 0% 0/0 0%
Other $180 $91 103% $13 108 0% 1/7 14%
$56,497 $15,585 38% $23 444 21% 390/2169 18%
Avg. Finish
Early 3% (10%)
EM 9% (20%)
Mid. 44% (40%)
ML 30% (20%)
Late 14% (10%) |
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LostOstrich
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| ian8383 wrote: |
Can you really call this boosh bloke a winning player.
10,000 sit and goes......what the feck. And he still gives out such useless advice.
Also, I dont know where craig came up with 40% ROI..... |
Ian, there's more to life than Sharkscope. As well as being a profitable SNG player, Bo0sh79 is an excellent MTT player, with long-term stats that would stand up against almost anyone in the world. Of course the guy's a winning player, there's absolutely no disputing that. |
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ian8383
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Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| LostOstrich wrote: |
| ian8383 wrote: |
Can you really call this boosh bloke a winning player.
10,000 sit and goes......what the feck. And he still gives out such useless advice.
Also, I dont know where craig came up with 40% ROI..... |
Ian, there's more to life than Sharkscope. As well as being a profitable SNG player, Bo0sh79 is an excellent MTT player, with long-term stats that would stand up against almost anyone in the world. Of course the guy's a winning player, there's absolutely no disputing that. |
I wont even comment on Craigs post as I couldnt make out any of it and gave up trying after 2 secs.
I actually havent played on fulltilt for a long long time. I was relatively new at the time.
I now play bigger games and make a lot more money..I am a high stakes player these days, to compare me to a micro stakes player is a joke.
I dont know why we are even getting into this, I was simply giving the op some advice. |
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StevieWard
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| Bo0sh79 wrote: |
the trick is to adjust your play to how you are running. IMO never slow play sets if you are running bad, gutshots will hit way more often than they are supposed to. In retrospect, if you are running amazing, you gotta see a lot of flops, 3 and 4 bet more often w/ speculative hands, and slow play big hands, stack off on draws, etc.
When running bad, try to play small ball poker, avoid races, and try to pick up uncontested pots. Even with the adjustments, you probably won't fair too well deep in a tourney, or ever gain that much in a cash game, but it will definetly help cut the losses in bankroll that you may be experiencing.
Everyone runs bad from time to time, unless u run like god. The trick is to minimize your losses when the cards dont go your way, and to maximize your profits when you seem to hit every race, draw, etc. |
Terrible advice, shocking....donkey advice.
The "trick" is actually the opposite. Do not change your game if you have a bad run.
If you are a winning player, stick to your winning formula and just play good poker.
Problems happen when players have a run of bad cards and start changing their play, bad runs happen, but if continue with your winining game you will come through.
Of course, you may not have a winning game at all and just be a donk... |
Hmmm... Ian8383 or Bo0sh79, Ian8383 or Bo0sh79. Think I go with Bo0sh79 and his 40% ROI here. |
except for the part where boosh's post is totally wrong |
I dont think its entirely wrong. I agree that you shouldnt change how you play for that reason entirely.
But, if your losing a fair bit, theres no harm in tightening up and winning some of it back by grinding for a while. If you've just lost a few buy ins and your a bit annoyed (or, even if you dont have any slight tilt) and you slow play sets and stuff - when a draw does hit - is the paranoia that you now expect them to beat you (and that they have the 8 10 that mkes the straight that is so frustrating, or they have put you all in with your Queen high flush...or do they and your just freaking out) going to kick in and affect your play?
From time to time if i've been losing i go back to basics for a while, or move back to FR and grind it up - suppose its my choice but to an extent it works for me. |
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StevieWard
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| My new technique is to come onto the poker storeis forum on this webiste and laugh and berate all the rigged theorists, thats how I handle it. I dropped 3 buy ins tonight, admittedly 1 of them so obvious i was beat and still called but you dont see me moaning this place is rigged now do you? I just turn into a complete prick instead. |
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ozlilly
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Awwww a bad day or 2 or 3 or 4 ect...... I have been to the I hate poker stage lol..beaten with 10 5 unsuited to my AA all in pre flop of couse the AA loses  all these things happen bad beats 1 after the other... lucky bastards that hit what ever they push...makes u wonder why we keep doing to ourselves..then u start playing like the fools and lose even more..ARGH so............u r as addicted as the rest of us TRY TRY again...dont stoop to bad play stick to your game and hope your like holds up...good luck all |
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HuJwang
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I dont think its entirely wrong. I agree that you shouldnt change how you play for that reason entirely.
But, if your losing a fair bit, theres no harm in tightening up and winning some of it back by grinding for a while. If you've just lost a few buy ins and your a bit annoyed (or, even if you dont have any slight tilt) and you slow play sets and stuff - when a draw does hit - is the paranoia that you now expect them to beat you (and that they have the 8 10 that mkes the straight that is so frustrating, or they have put you all in with your Queen high flush...or do they and your just freaking out) going to kick in and affect your play?
From time to time if i've been losing i go back to basics for a while, or move back to FR and grind it up - suppose its my choice but to an extent it works for me. |
i was more focusing on the part about how when you're "running bad" draws will hit against you more, which is a pretty absurd thing to say. |
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craigo6x
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| StevieWard wrote: |
I dont think its entirely wrong. I agree that you shouldnt change how you play for that reason entirely.
But, if your losing a fair bit, theres no harm in tightening up and winning some of it back by grinding for a while. If you've just lost a few buy ins and your a bit annoyed (or, even if you dont have any slight tilt) and you slow play sets and stuff - when a draw does hit - is the paranoia that you now expect them to beat you (and that they have the 8 10 that mkes the straight that is so frustrating, or they have put you all in with your Queen high flush...or do they and your just freaking out) going to kick in and affect your play?
From time to time if i've been losing i go back to basics for a while, or move back to FR and grind it up - suppose its my choice but to an extent it works for me. |
i was more focusing on the part about how when you're "running bad" draws will hit against you more, which is a pretty absurd thing to say. |
But it seems like they do. And I thought what Steve thought, which is tighten up and don't blast off your stack. If you're running bad, many people say take a break. Isn't that changing your game too by not playing? I agree with Bo0sh that drop down a level, play fewer games, wait til the cards seem to turn back then step it up agan. |
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StevieWard
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I dont think its entirely wrong. I agree that you shouldnt change how you play for that reason entirely.
But, if your losing a fair bit, theres no harm in tightening up and winning some of it back by grinding for a while. If you've just lost a few buy ins and your a bit annoyed (or, even if you dont have any slight tilt) and you slow play sets and stuff - when a draw does hit - is the paranoia that you now expect them to beat you (and that they have the 8 10 that mkes the straight that is so frustrating, or they have put you all in with your Queen high flush...or do they and your just freaking out) going to kick in and affect your play?
From time to time if i've been losing i go back to basics for a while, or move back to FR and grind it up - suppose its my choice but to an extent it works for me. |
i was more focusing on the part about how when you're "running bad" draws will hit against you more, which is a pretty absurd thing to say. |
LOL. I think I'm on a different wave length in your posts sometimes from you and never get you....that is a crazy thing to say. |
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StevieWard
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| craigo6x wrote: |
| HuJwang wrote: |
| StevieWard wrote: |
I dont think its entirely wrong. I agree that you shouldnt change how you play for that reason entirely.
But, if your losing a fair bit, theres no harm in tightening up and winning some of it back by grinding for a while. If you've just lost a few buy ins and your a bit annoyed (or, even if you dont have any slight tilt) and you slow play sets and stuff - when a draw does hit - is the paranoia that you now expect them to beat you (and that they have the 8 10 that mkes the straight that is so frustrating, or they have put you all in with your Queen high flush...or do they and your just freaking out) going to kick in and affect your play?
From time to time if i've been losing i go back to basics for a while, or move back to FR and grind it up - suppose its my choice but to an extent it works for me. |
i was more focusing on the part about how when you're "running bad" draws will hit against you more, which is a pretty absurd thing to say. |
But it seems like they do. And I thought what Steve thought, which is tighten up and don't blast off your stack. If you're running bad, many people say take a break. Isn't that changing your game too by not playing? I agree with Bo0sh that drop down a level, play fewer games, wait til the cards seem to turn back then step it up agan. |
Yeah thats kinda what I mean, you will end up on a 3 suite board, someone will pot bet, you will think "No *#?! way this guy also has a flush - they are just messing with me" so out of disbelief you call...he has the flush and you feel even worse.
I go back to ABC TAG mode for a while - fair enough anyone with any brains can read you like a book, probably even bluff you a lot more but it minimises any crazy losses. Mike Matusow has been doing this a lot more and he has been raking it in, I read he is managing his tilt a bit better, although obviously still blows up like a nuclear warhead at times as standard. This is obviously just short term as when I lose a few buy ins I do get a bit low on confidence and admittedly dont play the same way...once the confidence is back and I've won back more of my losses I'll start semi bluff raising on draws again, bluff raising etc, basically playing a lot more positive. |
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Riddim
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Now that I have a generic response to this type of thread I guess I might as well post a link to it here: http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/viewtopic.php?t=54214
You don't handle running bad, you handle the reactions you and your opponents have to the bad run. Adjusting because of the bad run itself, other than moving down because you've become underrolled for whatever stakes you play, is stupid. |
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Bo0sh79
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: |
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the trick is to adjust your play to how you are running. IMO never slow play sets if you are running bad, gutshots will hit way more often than they are supposed to. In retrospect, if you are running amazing, you gotta see a lot of flops, 3 and 4 bet more often w/ speculative hands, and slow play big hands, stack off on draws, etc.
When running bad, try to play small ball poker, avoid races, and try to pick up uncontested pots. Even with the adjustments, you probably won't fair too well deep in a tourney, or ever gain that much in a cash game, but it will definetly help cut the losses in bankroll that you may be experiencing.
Everyone runs bad from time to time, unless u run like god. The trick is to minimize your losses when the cards dont go your way, and to maximize your profits when you seem to hit every race, draw, etc. |
Terrible advice, shocking....donkey advice.
The "trick" is actually the opposite. Do not change your game if you have a bad run.
If you are a winning player, stick to your winning formula and just play good poker.
Problems happen when players have a run of bad cards and start changing their play, bad runs happen, but if continue with your winining game you will come through.
Of course, you may not have a winning game at all and just be a donk... |
you can take my advice for what it is worth. I havent cashed for over $300,000 online by not adjusting my game when i go on bad runs. If you really think i am a donkey, i would be more than glad to play you HU in a deep stacked NLHE HU game... you name the place and the stakes and will be there to stack whatever pathetic bankroll you have... You don't need it anyway. It is probably more +EV for you to post in these forums about how such good players are donks. have fun grinding the $2 SNGs and bashing my results in them... considering I play mostly MTTs, and take them down all the time, my sng stats are obsolete to how you should play the game. SNGs are bankroll builders... MTTs is where the money is at, and i got dat money. |
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Big Slick x13x
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I slit my wrists.
(You can never be "running" bad.) |
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