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Riddim
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| esperz wrote: |
Wrong? Why would I care if he was wrong in this particular post?
I said it was the most in depth. |
Well, it feels a bit weird to call someone awesome for making a read that is wrong, regardless of how in depth it is. I mean I could see that if the read is based on actual hands with the player in question rather than one vague sentence about how he plays, but that obv isn't the case here. If it was "you have potential" I could definitely understand and would probably agree, but "you are awesome" is a bit over the top to say the least imo.
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| And his way of thinking is markedly different then 98% of the other forumers who tend to be uniform in their thinking, the typical TAG mindset common to online poker. ...and for that, to me, is both awesome and unique. |
First, 98% of the forum being uniform is news to me, which is kinda weird considering that I read pretty much every post in NL/PL. Second, do you even know what TAG stands for? It isn't a mindset, it's an extremely vague generalization of how someone plays poker. How tight/loose and passive/aggressive someone is also has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of reasoning you're applauding Starvingwriter for. |
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Starvingwriter
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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In this particular hand we also have something way more concrete to go on, which is villain's betsizing on the river. Big overbets just tend to be big hands A LOT when they're for a decent amount of money compared to the stakes. |
This could be very true. I should have clarified in my original post that I quite rarely play cash games, and in a cash game, the betting could signal differently. In a tournament setting (particularly low level) I've seen LAG players make giant shoves at the pot after realizing they have effectively given away a bunch of chips. They think, it seems, that they have to get all those chips back, and the only way to do that is a desperation river bluff.
I suppose people may be less likely to make such a move when they can simply click and reload if they lose, I haven't played enough cash games to be certain. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Riddim wrote: |
In this particular hand we also have something way more concrete to go on, which is villain's betsizing on the river. Big overbets just tend to be big hands A LOT when they're for a decent amount of money compared to the stakes. |
This could be very true. I should have clarified in my original post that I quite rarely play cash games, and in a cash game, the betting could signal differently. In a tournament setting (particularly low level) I've seen LAG players make giant shoves at the pot after realizing they have effectively given away a bunch of chips. They think, it seems, that they have to get all those chips back, and the only way to do that is a desperation river bluff.
I suppose people may be less likely to make such a move when they can simply click and reload if they lose, I haven't played enough cash games to be certain. |
Yeah, I don't play many tournaments but I do think it's more common in that setting. When it comes to SNGs I know it is. There's also the fact that the villain in the hand is a regular rather than some completely random donkey. |
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esperz
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| Riddim, seriously man. Why are you knocking a compliment that I gave to a guy? ...then questioning as to why? We aren't women knocking off each other's boyfriends, just let the comment pass. God damn. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| esperz wrote: |
| Riddim, seriously man. Why are you knocking a compliment that I gave to a guy? ...then questioning as to why? We aren't women knocking off each other's boyfriends, just let the comment pass. God damn. |
Yeah, I have no problem dropping this. I made one comment half jokingly and then you seemed confused about it so I briefly explained it. As for the last comment about boyfriends, I fail to see how it's relevant. |
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StevieWard
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I gotta say, I'd call in this situation. Yes, occasionally he's going to show the random flush or straight. But, you've given me two tidbits of information that lean me toward a call.
1. He doesn't respect other players. He doesn't respect their bets, and doesn't respect them as people.
2. He's been showing a lot of bluffs.
For this kind of player, keep something in mind - the money isn't what he's after. He's after some ego stroking. To stroke his ego, he's in a win-win situation. If you fold, he tells anyone who will listen (probably not many people) "lolz, I bluffed this guy out of a huge pot with trash." If you call, he says, "lolz, I represented the flush draw the whole hand and the guy still called, what a donk."
This is a guy who wants to be clever at the poker table. 99% of the time, he's going to do the opposite of what he has, just so he can "fool" you. If he hit that flush or straight, he's going to check, so he can check raise your bet and call you a donk when you call.
Note that this is very different than a LAG player who uses it as a playing style to trap people in bigger pots than they can handle (watch Jamie Gold 2006, for example).
If the player you described wasn't clearly obsessed with getting egg on other players faces, I'd definitely fold. Since he is, you can be fairly sure his big bet is disingenuous - it's the perfect opportunity to make you look silly if you fold! |
I agree - I call and lose to his retarded hole cards here. |
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mistaken69
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Wrong? Why would I care if he was wrong in this particular post?
I said it was the most in depth.
And his way of thinking is markedly different then 98% of the other forumers who tend to be uniform in their thinking, the typical TAG mindset common to online poker. ...and for that, to me, is both awesome and unique. |
not to hate on whatever his names advice was because it was fairly legit, but you're an idiot. How was that in depth at all? He took two things that the Op included in his OP and made them the deciding factor in the hand.....i don't see how that's anything special nor is it neccesarily the correct reasoning for a call (if a call is even right).
as for the hand, i would raise preflop, auto pot the flop and i would 3bet the turn. you butchered this one imo. |
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mistaken69
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| oh, and wtf is a "TAG mindset". That term doesn't even make sense. post less. |
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