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dcdoorknob
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 Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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I folded. I'll skip through a few hands now. I got A9 the next hand, which is pretty much an auto-shove given the situation, and then a stroke of good luck after that.
Hand #51
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (UTG): t1804
dcdoorknob (CO): t1990
Brian (BTN): t4621
Quagmire (SB): t2335
Cleveland (BB): t2750
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is CO with 4  5
4 folds
Final Pot: t400
Cleveland wins t400
Hand #52
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (BB): t1804
dcdoorknob (UTG): t1990
Brian (CO): t4621
Quagmire (BTN): t2135
Cleveland (SB): t2950
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is UTG with 9  A
dcdoorknob raises to t1990 all in, 4 folds
Final Pot: t1000
dcdoorknob wins t1000
Hand #53
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (SB): t1404
dcdoorknob (BB): t2590
Brian (UTG): t4621
Quagmire (CO): t2135
Areliano (BTN): t2750
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is BB with K  K 
2 folds, Cleveland raises to t2750 all in, 1 fold, dcdoorknob calls t2190 all in
Flop: (t5380) 6 8 K
Turn: (t5380) 4
River: (t5380) T
Final Pot: t5380
dcdoorknob shows Kd Ks (three of a kind, Kings)
Cleveland shows 7s 7h (a pair of Sevens)
dcdoorknob wins t5380
Hand #54
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (BTN): t1204
dcdoorknob (SB): t5380
Brian (BB): t4621
Quagmire (UTG): t2135
Cleveland (CO): t160
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is SB with 9 7
1 fold, Cleveland calls t160 all in, Meg raises to t1204 all in, 2 folds
Flop: (t1160) 4 2 3
Turn: (t1160) A
River: (t1160) 9
Final Pot: t1160
Meg shows 7s As (a pair of Aces)
Cleveland shows 5h Tc (a straight, Five high)
Hand #55
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (CO): t1324
dcdoorknob (BTN): t5180
Brian (SB): t4221
Quagmire (BB): t2135
Cleveland (UTG): t640
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is BTN with 8 4
Cleveland raises to t640 all in, 2 folds, Brian calls t440, 1 fold
Flop: (t1680) 6 3 9
Turn: (t1680) 6
River: (t1680) T
Final Pot: t1680
Brian shows Qh Kd (a pair of Sixes)
Cleveland shows Js 9d (two pair, Nines and Sixes)
Cleveland wins t1680
Hand #56
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (UTG): t1324
dcdoorknob (CO): t5180
Brian (BTN): t3581
Quagmire (SB): t1735
Cleveland (BB): t1680
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is CO with 9 K
1 fold, dcdoorknob ???
Comments on any of the above hands are welcome, although I thought they were all pretty standard (from my end at least). Now what do we do with K9o as the big stack here? |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| I can see a case for shoving, since everyone is playing fairly tightly. But Quag and Cleveland are calling with any Ax, and losing 1.7k would be a sizable chunk. Plus, you don't want Brian to wake up with a big hand. So I would fold this. |
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Sand Wedge_100
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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K9o Not a hand I really want to risk 1700 with but am not really afraid to. I would raise 1000 and hope for 3 folds. Fold if brian shoves or 2 shoves from Quag and Cleve. For some reason I get more folds out of 2.5x raise than 3x or 4x and I usually do it only when I'm not really afraid of a call or I really WANT a call. Yep raise to 1000. You are the big stack use it.
Fold is not a bad bet either. |
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sixandfour
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Why tempt fate? Your image isn't the tightest in the world, and Cleveland has shown he's not gonna let himself blind out. Let the shorties chop each other down. You've got plenty of hands to come. |
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dcdoorknob
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I raised all in. In retrospect (and even at the time, right after) I don't really like the all in. Still, I think we are entitled to raise here, I like the 1000 number, which would commit us to calling shove from anyone other than Brian. The table hasn't stood up to raises at all (even Cleveland is shoving, not calling), so I think a raise will take the blinds a good portion of the time.
The all in risks a little to much probably in the case Brian shoves over the top, especially since he seems to be playing very tight, so a min-raise could give us the info on his hand without risking the whole 3500. Still, all the good SNG strategy I've read says to apply pressure with high blinds and on the bubble, and K9o unopened pot in the CO is good enough for me to do that, especially when people haven't been standing up to raises much (other than Meg somewhat, but she has folded).
All that said, I'm not saying folding is wrong given the situation, I just think raising is reasonable as well (don't like my all-in tho).
Hand #56
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (UTG): t1324
dcdoorknob (CO): t5180
Brian (BTN): t3581
Quagmire (SB): t1735
Cleveland (BB): t1680
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is CO with 9 K
1 fold, dcdoorknob raises to t5180 all in, 3 folds
Final Pot: t1000
dcdoorknob wins t1000
Hand #57
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 5 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (BB): t1324
dcdoorknob (UTG): t5780
Brian (CO): t3581
Quagmire (BTN): t1535
Cleveland (SB): t1280
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is UTG with 9 2
3 folds, Cleveland raises to t1280 all in, Meg calls t880
Flop: (t2560) 7 3 6
Turn: (t2560) A
River: (t2560) 4
Final Pot: t2560
Meg shows Th 5s (a straight, Seven high)
Cleveland shows Kh 8c (Ace King high)
Meg wins t2560
Hand #58
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 4 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (SB): t2604
dcdoorknob (BB): t5780
Brian (CO): t3581
Quagmire (BTN): t1535
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is BB with 5 Q
3 folds
Final Pot: t400
dcdoorknob wins t400
Hand #59
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 4 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (BTN): t2404
dcdoorknob (SB): t5980
Brian (BB): t3581
Quagmire (CO): t1535
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is SB with 4 J
2 folds, dcdoorknob ??? |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think pressure is fine when you have more fold equity. Here I don't think you have enough fold equity to make it worth shoving. Personally, I think a shove is better than a raise. At least that way you are telling everyone you aren't even worried about Brian calling. Not to mention, Brian may well fold a hand he might otherwise come over the top with, like AQ or TT.
In any case, now I definitely think you want to raise while Brian is waiting for one of the two shorties to bust out. I think Brian is tight enough and in a bad enough spot that we can minraise here. I doubt he's folding anything to a larger raise that he wouldn't fold to a minraise. |
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sixandfour
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| nilgiri wrote: |
| I think Brian is tight enough and in a bad enough spot that we can minraise here. I doubt he's folding anything to a larger raise that he wouldn't fold to a minraise. |
This is a very good point IMO... He seems to be content just to stay out of the way here, and if that's not the case, I'd like to see how light he would call a minraise for future reference anyway. |
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dcdoorknob
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I see your point, and I agree that raise was in order, but I folded. I guess I was hoping to show I'm not a complete maniac. Not sure that is really needed here though, its a favorable spot for me and I probably made a mistake by passing on it.
Hand #59
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 4 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (BTN): t2404
dcdoorknob (SB): t5980
Brian (BB): t3581
Quagmire (CO): t1535
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is SB with 4 J
3 folds
Final Pot: t400
Brian wins t400
Hand #60
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds - 4 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (CO): t2404
dcdoorknob (BTN): t5780
Brian (SB): t3781
Quagmire (BB): t1535
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is BTN with 9 9
Meg raises to t1750, dcdoorknob ???
Well this is an interesting spot, Meg made a peculiar non all-in raise, but she is surely committed to the hand, meanwhile Quagmire has 1/3rd of his remaining stack in the BB. |
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Badlydrawnboy
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if I'm the only one, but my impression is that the size of Meg's raise is intentional and that she hopes to eliminate Quagmire. If you go all-in now, Quagmire will probably fold because he doesn't want to be the first one who gets busted.
So I would go all-in. You got her covered, and if you don't win, you still have the same amount of chips as Brian.
(This is a tournament where the final three get paid, right? If it's not I would change my view.)
Last edited by Badlydrawnboy on Fri May 09, 2008 7:59 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Sand Wedge_100
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Very interesting indeed. This hand is probally the most pivotal hand so far. Did she just miss-hit the pot button meaning to hit the allin??
I think not . She is saying I want to takeout the short stack.
PPs really scare me especially 9s. I fold just because they are 9s (long story  ). PPs have a way of cropping up in 2s or 3s. and do you want to go up against two or possibly 3 with 99? I don't.
I know I'm gonna get flamed really bad  here and it probally is the wrong move but I'm risking nothing by folding and am still the chip leader unless Brian wakes up with a monster and I'm still in good shape even then.  |
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renegades8
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Shove imo. Your hand's simply too strong in relation to how big these blinds are, and you can't wait for much better than this. |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| renegades8 wrote: |
| Shove imo. Your hand's simply too strong in relation to how big these blinds are, and you can't wait for much better than this. |
Sure he can, he has a nice big stack and the #2 stack is sitting directly to his left, which means stealing blinds is going to be easy.
IMHO shoving here is essentially calling off almost half your stack on a hand that is likely either flipping or worse. Meg may well be going after the short stack, but that doesn't mean she has no hand.
That said, I would still shove this, knowing that we are not much better than a coin flip, if better at all. I'm shoving because we have so many chips. I would not shove here if I were Brian. I would fold that easily. But here we can afford to flip. Even if we lose, we still have plenty of chips, and Quag is still going to be a very short stack.
But I don't think we should shove because we can't afford to wait. If we had Brian's stack, IMHO we can afford to wait, and in fact should wait. |
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dcdoorknob
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I shoved. I agree with a smaller stack it might well be a fold, but as it was the shove worked out pretty well.
Hand #60
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds - 4 players
The Official Hand History
Meg (CO): t2404
dcdoorknob (BTN): t5780
Brian (SB): t3781
Quagmire (BB): t1535
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is BTN with 9 9
Meg raises to t1750, dcdoorknob raises to t5780 all in, 2 folds, Meg calls t654 all in
Flop: (t5558) T 7 7
Turn: (t5558) 3
River: (t5558) 9
Final Pot: t5558
Meg shows Kc Qc (a pair of Sevens)
dcdoorknob shows 9s 9h (a full house, Nines full of Sevens)
dcdoorknob wins t5558
Hand #61
Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds - 3 players
The Official Hand History
dcdoorknob (BB): t8934
Brian (BTN): t3531
Quagmire (SB): t1035
Pre Flop: dcdoorknob is BB with 9 4
1 fold, Quagmire raises to t1035 all in
dcdoorknob ???
Is this a straight pot odds question, and if so, what is the verdict? If not, what else should we be considering? |
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renegades8
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| dcdoorknob wrote: |
| Is this a straight pot odds question, and if so, what is the verdict? If not, what else should we be considering? |
Seems to me like ICM would be important (although this seems like a call). I'm heading off to bed right now but I'll figure it out tomorrow. What's their range here, like top 50%? |
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nilgiri
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| I'm calling this 100% of time, against anyone. You have a huge stack. Even if the odds are not quite good enough (but I think they are there, actually), I'm still calling this. |
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