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Gino Ianucci
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 Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: NL10 Pocket 10's, flop two overcards HU |
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So I pretty much felt like I stumbled my way through this hand trying to feel out where I was, just seemed a bit awkward for some reason. Villian is what I guess you'd call a standard 10NL player, fairly loose preflop, likes to limp, passive post flop but will chase. Have seen her make a pretty large pot bet after it was checked down from the flop. Here goes...
Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, $3 Betting Cap, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
UTG+1: $5.25
UTG+2: $4.85
MP1: $3.65
Villian: $6.20
CO: $4.10
BTN: $10.50
SB: $7.05
Hero (BB): $8.20
UTG: $7.20
Pre-Flop: T T dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.10, MP1 folds, Villian calls $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.45, UTG+2 folds, Villian calls $0.35, SB folds
Flop: ($1.10) A 8 J (2 Players)
Hero....
Please comment on my preflop play too. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| PF I'd probably make it $.65-$.7. On the flop think both betting once before shutting down and just checkfolding are fine, but I'm leaning towards the latter. You're just not going to give up a significant equity edge very often by doing so and villain will have some kind of hand that's either already better or in decent shape a lot so you also don't have a ton of FE. Basically any time she has two cards higher than an eight she'll call a c-bet, and it will be tricky to get to a showdown profitably even against a passive player when you're OOP facing this board. |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I think check folding might be alright...
By the way, if the HH is correct this is $3 cap which is a lot different from 10NL. |
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Gino Ianucci
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Good points there, upon reflection it really was pretty much a no brainer check down in that position on that board, but seeing as I played this hand like a retard we can't leave it at that....
Hero bets $0.60, Villian calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.30) 6 (2 Players)
Hero checks, Villian checks
River: ($2.30) 3 (2 Players)
[COLOR=red]Hero...
Check right? She's just so weak!! |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes check. That she's weak is good because it means you're fairly likely to have the best hand, but you're pretty much never folding out better or getting called by worse if you bet here ime. I guess you could consider calling a bet if she bluffs often or just really rarely bets an A or J for value though, since there's a decent amount of straight draws that missed. As a default I think it's still a fold to any kind of real bet though. |
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TILTZ_24_7
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Overcards against 1 opponent are a pain in the ass! This is where u have to play poker  .
First off you dont have position, but you do hold the initiative of been the pre-flop raiser, so up until the flop you are in the lead for sure.
The one problem i see with your play is you effectively conceded the pot on the turn. If i were playing villain i would almost certainly be betting you off that hand with pretty much any cards as your play looks like a classic speculative continuation bet.
Flop play was fine, however i would fire again on the turn to defend my positional disadvantage. If she calls again or raises its time to back off or slow down, but more often than not aggression will be enuff. |
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jesse6520
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| bluffcatch reasonable amount is prob the best play on riv. |
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PokerJessO
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes check. That she's weak is good because it means you're fairly likely to have the best hand, but you're pretty much never folding out better or getting called by worse if you bet here ime. |
I disagree. Your opponent has shown no strength or agressiveness. You can definitely get a jack to fold here, and likely some weak aces, but it would have to be at least a pot-sized bet.
But after checking the turn, in the words of Negreanu, 'That's a tough sell, my friend'. By checking the turn, you all but announced 'I don't have a good ace.' Check and hope your opponent doesn't bluff at it. Making the pot-sized bet will work sometimes, but personally I'd rather not risk it. Either bet the turn or surrender the hand. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| PokerJessO wrote: |
| I disagree. Your opponent has shown no strength or agressiveness. You can definitely get a jack to fold here, and likely some weak aces, but it would have to be at least a pot-sized bet. |
What does villain showing strength or aggression have to do with whether she'll call the river with a J or weak ace or not? All it means is that her range is tilted more towards weak hands. It doesn't say anything about how she'll play them on the river. Since it looks like we don't have much and people hate folding, I doubt if bluffing is even close to a reasonable option. Btw it's a cap game so betting more than $2 isn't even an option. |
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