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Online Poker Forum - Genius idea for epassporte transfer requests!
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rockycatt
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I SEE WHAT YOUR SAYING
to bad that the funds werent earmarked cash or cleared from sender


but your correct that would be a backfire
thanx much R C
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joshlive9
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cali, man just let it go. You and I had our differences in opinion too, and it is just not worth the fighting over an internet forum.

I believe everyone in this thread is trying to be helpful and productive.

Cali just wants to trade Epass safe & efficient.

Pmarr & NJ both have very respected reputations around this site and just want to keep everyone safe. I would feel comfortable doing any transaction for any amount with either of them, no questions asked.

Everyone is on edge about scammers and who they can trade with and who they cant. I think its pretty simple really. If you are new and want to be 100% sure that you are going to get a safe and efficient trade, do not trade with anyone but a respected mod or member (pmarr, NJ, Abominable, Nimbus, Kronx, and many others...sorry if I left ppl out Laughing )

If you are in a hurry and can't wait around for one of them to express interest in your thread, then just come back when you have more time. Don't try to rush a trade with a stranger and then cry when you get ripped off.

DO YOUR RESEARCH AND BE SMART!!! ITS NOT THAT HARD!!!

And let's all stop bickering amongst ourselves, we are all trying to be productive and make this forum better. Let's help each other out and be mature about everything.
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KronX
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is some advice I read on the forums, It seems to fit you champ.


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Your behavior is EXTREMELY HOSTILE, ready to go off at a moments notice, biggest hothead i have ever seen on a poker forum let alone poker site......maybe your a great poker player, never watched you but i only read your posts and WOW is what comes to mind.

this approach of being a hothead and ready to go poker postal every 5 minutes in a poker forum, what is this truly accomplishing???????????
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californiachamp
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

Yes I agree 100% with how funds can be loaded fraudently and that is why transfers you gotta be careful, however, I am not concerned with this happening with epassporte fund transfers.

The verification process they go through to verify a member, with the bank deposits and then needing a credit card to fund the account after approval is different than just somebody going to a site and using a credit card for the first time, being required to set up a bank account and having deposits hit, you as well need access to that bank account to check for those deposits...

With this security blanket set up, i am not sure it is possible for somebody to set up a fraudulent account with epassporte which is why i am not worried at all whoever i do business with.....i guess there is always some chance somebody could do something like that, but i would like to know how it is possible before i start wondering that way.

Other than that, unless i see obvious signs of a scammer trying to do business, i assume somebody is honest and give them the benefit and maybe that is why i have never EVER been scammed in business in real life or online......scammers are pretty obvious with their signs anyway..
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pmarrsouth
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: .. Reply with quote

californiachamp wrote:

You really think i care one ounce how long you been trading or who has or whether my idea was good or not???????? seriously??? you think i care?


see my first reply to in this thread.

californiachamp wrote:


I have needed to trade, you say you been trading for years? WHY dude? Seriously? Up until 2 weeks ago, i have never needed to trade one penny, why? because i win and only need to cash out and in the rare situations where i had to deposit, i used epassporte or neteller and simply funded my account...why would you need to do trades for years? whatever...


Not sure what the first part of the first line means, but I have been trading for as long as people have not wanted to wait the 6-48 hours for a cashout to hit a neteller/epass/moneybookers account, etc so that they can move funds from one site to another. There has been a demand for that long.

I dont need to do trades, as I have neteller.


californiachamp wrote:

And smartmouth, i mean psmarouth or whater your name is


Careful with the spelling of the name. There is an impostor out there, and also people have been known to send to the wrong names.


californiachamp wrote:

you were arguing with a person yesterday, what gives dude? Now your calling me names as well? your all out of control here.........


He, and now you, are really bringing it on yourselves.

And just to note, that is it "you are" or "you're"


californiachamp wrote:

bragging that you do trades for years and how to avoid a scam, wow, like it is some major accomplishment in life, hey i avoided a poker trading scam. woohoo..


So you are happy to see people lose money to scammers? I thought that as this part of the forum can be seen as a business (your words) that you would not want scammers to get $$$, and that people would want tips on how not to get scammed. Maybe not though


californiachamp wrote:

i dont need to trade for freakin YEARS to know how to avoid a scam online, but some of the newbies cant thus i can help give them advice..........


Ill reply to this point in what you have written in your next post in this thread.
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joshlive9
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the makings of a superthread
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californiachamp
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

haha hi josh, yes dude i agree, hell i NEVER use forums anywhere on the net and this is why......i am like why am i writing this post and arguing? your very correct dude.

You dont know everything what is said to me and what isnt....I posted a post to do epassporte business and was notified in PM to not do business with somebody who wanted to do business with me and i am wise enough i am not going to be scammed and so heck all i did was make a question of why is this person not trusting? and now i am getting cursed at, calichump? poker players make me laugh my ass off.....seriously, they cant beat me at the tables, so i guess this is their way to attempt to win with me........just like with matusow, people cant beat him at the game so what do they do? sit on the rail and heckle him, same thing.

your right bro, i am over this, i am done arguing or spending energy asking why this, why that...

i am only here anyway to do some business, other than that, none of you matter anyway to me without sounding too brash.........

and yeah josh , sucks that you got called out only because you were trying to be really helpful with your trades.........

this forum reminds me of like a frat house, you gotta be POPULAR and here for years to get any respect lol even though you will never win a debate or argument with these people because they are always right.....so your right, i am letting it go.
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pmarrsouth
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: .. Reply with quote

californiachamp wrote:


You wont get scammed beint sent first but that is the logic which again i have no idea how somebody could for example load an epassporte account using fraudulent means


Reasons given in this thread, you might want to read up on them if you are going to do a lot of trades.

californiachamp wrote:

call me naive, but when you set up an account with epassporte, they are pretty damn good at verifying your account and you so to get approved, that account should be 100% legit and if you load it up, then not sure it is possible to deal with fraud...


naive



californiachamp wrote:

So that is why i say when a deal is complete, it is complete, see rocky, if i am wrong, heck I ASK, i dont get hostile like they do on here so easy....



majority of the time yes. But not 100% of the time.
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californiachamp
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

you said be careful of the spelling? look dude, you think your being coy and funny what did you call my screenname, CALICHUMP? oh , har har...so its ok for you poke and jab and talk smack but when somebody defends themselves and throws back, you cant take it, right?

I find it amazing how i write a post that could help and now, we are not even talking about the original idea but getting people attempting to argue with me just to argue.........wow.......and this is how you spend your day productively huh?

dude, who cares whether there has been a demand for trading for years, i know people do trade online at the big games, i see it all the time, but why are you trying to prove all this to me?

i came up with an idea that i thought would be good and holy freakin hell, that this has been around for year, OMG, shoot me down........sorry if i am not a trader for years LIKE YOU and i wouldnt know of this invaluable information.

i only started to use the trading principle 2 weeks ago and never needed to trade before that so i wouldnt know of this valuable data of trading being a big part so that is all that needs to be said...not a great idea.

but you want to talk **** now? change my screenname and be cute ? and then i should just take it in stride? and then have some other person curse at me because i asked her a simple question about why she tried to deter me from doing business with a person yesterday?

all of you need to take your meds, your all out of control here thus why previous to 2 weeks, i almost never used this forum, everybody has attitude problems and you cant even discuss things without tempers flaring, name calling and childish antics....
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pmarrsouth
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: .. Reply with quote

californiachamp wrote:
Yes I agree 100% with how funds can be loaded fraudently and that is why transfers you gotta be careful, however, I am not concerned with this happening with epassporte fund transfers....

...With this security blanket set up, i am not sure it is possible for somebody to set up a fraudulent account with epassporte


You are not concerned, yet not sure if they can be loaded fraudulently (which they can, easily, such as a CC that will go over the credit limit with the transaction).

Not really sure if you meant to say the above, reword it better if you didnt.

californiachamp wrote:

which is why i am not worried at all whoever i do business with.....i guess there is always some chance somebody could do something like that, but i would like to know how it is possible before i start wondering that way.


WOW, even after I gave examples of how it can be done.

californiachamp wrote:

Other than that, unless i see obvious signs of a scammer trying to do business, i assume somebody is honest and give them the benefit and maybe that is why i have never EVER been scammed in business in real life or online.....


to everyone? For real?
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californiachamp
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

dude, you really think your some important high stakes businessman dont you , you cant let it go, you want to try and prove and make me look bad, dont you ?

fine, lets dance....shall we?

tell me what you do for a living dude? what is your yearly income? you ever owned a single merchant account to truly know the laws of how chargebacks work? ever owned a company with employee's? ever owned a website online with a merchant account tied to it??????????

well have you? or you just a person who sits behind a computer, plays some poker, gets his jollies by trying to make somebody else look bad ?

all those questions i just asked you? i can answer yes myself to all of them..

i have owned merchant accounts, i have owned several websites with merchant accounts tied to them, i have done thousands in business online with my sites....I have owned several companies with dozens of employee's...I KNOW about how fraud can occur, i know how chargebacks work........thus why i know how to avoid scams and how i can help people.

Now genius, considering your trying your damnest to make me look bad in front of everybody, step up.

talk about your credentials with merchant accounts, fraud, chargebacks, business, etc...to validate why anybody should even listen to you here? cause you really think your something special obviously..
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pmarrsouth
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: .. Reply with quote

californiachamp wrote:
you said be careful of the spelling? look dude, you think your being coy and funny what did you call my screenname, CALICHUMP?


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californiachamp wrote:

I find it amazing how i write a post that could help


Had you used the search feature, you would see that many posts have been made about this.

californiachamp wrote:

dude, who cares whether there has been a demand for trading for years,


Well I figure that you do, since that is the 2nd time you have mentioned it.


californiachamp wrote:

i came up with an idea that i thought would be good and holy freakin hell, that this has been around for year


once again, you didnt.


californiachamp wrote:

OMG, shoot me down........sorry if i am not a trader for years LIKE YOU and i wouldnt know of this invaluable information.


http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/search.php <---- Helpful forum feature


californiachamp wrote:

i only started to use the trading principle 2 weeks ago and never needed to trade before that so i wouldnt know of this valuable data of trading being a big part so that is all that needs to be said...not a great idea.


As above
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nimbus
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: .. Reply with quote

californiachamp wrote:
njhoney, I like you and so i will keep this civil and friendly.
....

For example, you private messaged me and advised me to stay away from somebody " I won't name who they are", but guess what, that person ended up being very trusting, reliable, and actually a very nice guy...and i messaged you back to further explain to me why you told me to avoid this person and you simply ignored my message and didnt explain yourself why you were giving me such advice...it could have cost me a good trade....


I haven't been active on the FTP forums all that long. From what I have seen, njpokerhoney has always been helpful. S/he might not have been correct about this one trader but overall njpokerhoney's instincts are pretty good.

FWIW, I've also sent pms to new users (and other regulars) warning them about certain trades that didn't look right. Ultimately it's up to the users to decide if their need exceeds their fear of being scammed.
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joshlive9
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: .. Reply with quote

californiachamp wrote:
haha hi josh, yes dude i agree, hell i NEVER use forums anywhere on the net and this is why......i am like why am i writing this post and arguing? your very correct dude.

You dont know everything what is said to me and what isnt....I posted a post to do epassporte business and was notified in PM to not do business with somebody who wanted to do business with me and i am wise enough i am not going to be scammed and so heck all i did was make a question of why is this person not trusting? and now i am getting cursed at, calichump? poker players make me laugh my ass off.....seriously, they cant beat me at the tables, so i guess this is their way to attempt to win with me........just like with matusow, people cant beat him at the game so what do they do? sit on the rail and heckle him, same thing.

your right bro, i am over this, i am done arguing or spending energy asking why this, why that...

i am only here anyway to do some business, other than that, none of you matter anyway to me without sounding too brash.........

and yeah josh , sucks that you got called out only because you were trying to be really helpful with your trades.........

this forum reminds me of like a frat house, you gotta be POPULAR and here for years to get any respect lol even though you will never win a debate or argument with these people because they are always right.....so your right, i am letting it go.




Ehh...Clamper and veterans were just curious why I was so active during my first week as a new member. I think I explained everything pretty well in that thread...being a lurker for a few years here, member at another forum, removal of Epass, wanting to establish a solid trading history, etc

I don't think you mean to do it Cali, but I think you just rub some people the wrong way. It is very hard to interpret on a forum what people mean or are really trying to say since things like facial expressions and tone are absent. Smiley faces can only get a person so far Laughing

But no really man, I have no problem with you now and I think you are trying to be helpful and that your idea is a good one.

I would like to see a thread created exclusively for Epassporte Trades. Could begin by listing those that Clamper has given the seal of approval to trade with. Respected members who are willing to keep there Epass accounts loaded and trade. When anyone who seeks Epass comes to the thread, they simply post how much they are wanting to do, what poker site the money will come from, and all the necessary info (screennames, etc.)

Then they just wait for one of the reputable traders on the list to respond to the thread, and off they go. I think this could be really easy and very safe. Everyone seeking Epass funds would simply send first to the established traders, and then we would not have these idiotic threads where two newbies are trying to scam each other, or one is legit and one is a scammer, etc. I don't know, thats just my two cents.
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pmarrsouth
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: .. Reply with quote

californiachamp wrote:
dude, you really think your some important high stakes businessman dont you , you cant let it go, you want to try and prove and make me look bad, dont you ?


Not at all.

I think you do this just fine yourself.

californiachamp wrote:

tell me what you do for a living dude? what is your yearly income? you ever owned a single merchant account to truly know the laws of how chargebacks work? ever owned a company with employee's? ever owned a website online with a merchant account tied to it??????????


Student + Advertiser (again a seach yields this information)

$100K+

I have not.

Yes

Many


californiachamp wrote:

i have owned merchant accounts, i have owned several websites with merchant accounts tied to them, i have done thousands in business online with my sites....I have owned several companies with dozens of employee's...I KNOW about how fraud can occur, i know how chargebacks work........thus why i know how to avoid scams and how i can help people.


Yet not when it comes to Epassporte.

californiachamp wrote:

to validate why anybody should even listen to you here? cause you really think your something special obviously..


To prevent scams happening to this "business"

"you are" or "you're" (and obv)
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