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DRay · Four of a Kind Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 299

I put this guy on a 7 but not a 79. Bad call or bad luck? (2nd hand of the game btw)

Full Tilt Poker Game #457741992: Table Tierra De Palmas - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:29:32 ET - 2006/02/23
Seat 2: GMORELLI ($9.95)
Seat 6: Dray ($10.05)
Dray posts the small blind of $0.05
GMORELLI posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dray [5c 8d]
Dray calls $0.05
GMORELLI checks
*** FLOP *** [7c 9d 7s]
GMORELLI checks
Dray checks
*** TURN *** [7c 9d 7s] [6c]
GMORELLI bets $0.20
Dray raises to $0.50
GMORELLI raises to $0.80
Dray calls $0.30
*** RIVER *** [7c 9d 7s 6c] [Jh]
GMORELLI bets $9.05, and is all in
Dray is feeling angry
Dray: not many hands can beat mine right now
Dray has 15 seconds left to act
Dray calls $9.05
draganwolf sits down
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GMORELLI shows [9c 7d] (a full house, Sevens full of Nines)
Dray mucks
GMORELLI wins the pot ($19.65) with a full house, Sevens full of Nines
Dray: yikes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19.90 | Rake $0.25
Board: [7c 9d 7s 6c Jh]
Seat 2: GMORELLI (big blind) showed [9c 7d] and won ($19.65) with a full house, Sevens full of Nines
Seat 6: Dray (small blind) mucked [5c 8d] - a straight, Nine high

Gypsydc · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:50 am Post subject:

Well, he did get to see it for free...as a general rule I don't call in with the SB unless a few others are in and I get some pot odds to see the flop with junk for cheap. Otherwise it ends up being some crazy battle of pride or in this case bad luck for you since he flopped a monster.

FatStacks06 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 736

Well, he's not going all in there unless he can beat you. He could have had a better straight or any of the 97, 67 or J7 as well, all hands that you would limp in with from LP or the blinds. It sucks to have to lay it down, but the pot was only like $2 anyway.

mathman1115 · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject:

the only monster i can usually sniff out right away is when someone raises preflop at least 3.5 times the blind and gets a caller or two. The flop comes rainbow with a high card, like an A or K. Then the original preflop raiser checks the flop making it look like they have a high underpair but are afraid of the A or K. 9 times out of 10 these slicksters flopped the high set. This happens a lot at the lower limits.

guitarguy178 · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject:

In a heads up match it is far less likely that both players will hit big hands like this. It all comes down knowing your opponent. Is he/she the type of player that puts a lot of value on trips when there is a straight possible on the board. Would that player move all his/her checks to the middle without having the nuts or at least a monster hand. Heads up play is much more about playing your opponent than playing your cards. In this case you had a tough beat, it's hard to lay down a straight with only two players.

KarlDykhuis · Flush Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 135 Location: Minnesota

The all in bet of $9 into a $2 pot would be my first clue. This guy flopped a monster and wants to be paid off in a big way. I don't agree with the boat's push there but it worked out for him.

It's easy to say after knowing the outcome of the hand, but it just seems like an easy laydown, I'd only call an enormous bet like that if I had the nuts.

dmoore1998 · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject:

Ok Dray, I'm gonna go against the grain here and say that your call wasn't horrible. Now I probably wouldn't have made the call just because the pot was so small, but I play these small limits a lot and I know there are guys who would push in with any 7 here. He's obviously not putting you on a straight with that board I'm sure just playing 2 random cards from the blind. I've seen MANY people that would push and hope that you had a jack and would call...because lots of people at this level would call with 2 pair or a jack or something weak like that. So while I might not have done it...I totally understand your reasoning of putting him on a 7 but not the boat. At a higher stakes game I might say you have to fold...at the micro levels with some of the maniacs I'd say you're probably gonna win this hand more than you lose it even with the all-in push...but it's pretty easy to fold here with the huge overbet.

tcwhat · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: Re:

KarlDykhuis · Flush Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 135 Location: Minnesota

Well, I was playing in a sng last night and ran up against a flopped straight when I flopped my set. Needless to say, I made an early exit. Thats what I get for not raising with 66. BB was holding 79o and the flop came up 586.

Unrelated to the subject at hand, but in a second sng last night I got run over by some bad luck (my 88 vs short stacked JT all in preflop, flopped a set of Jacks), and found myself as the short stack early (160). Got back up to 410 when I see KQo in the BB. One limper in the cutoff, everyone else folds, I go all in, cutoff calls with 89soooooooooted for 1/3 of his stack. Of course a 9 hits and im done. I tilted over to a .25/.50 NL table and won my money back from those entrys but I still wasn't very happy. Evil or Very Mad

matt2411 · Royal Flush Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 559

that is the exact same scenario but with different cards as i had last night. i had 96o in the SB and it was me and the BB, i complete the blind and he checks.

flop comes 967, i bet 80% of the pot, he calls.

turn comes another 9 giving me the boat. i again bet the pot, he raises, i just call. river comes a blank, i bet the pot again knowing he has something like trips or a straight. and he he calls.

your mistake was calling that with a straight, with a pair on the board and him pushing all in.

pick a better spot where its not so dangerous.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8057 Location: Sweden

Aren't the questions in the OP completely impossible to answer with limited information we have? Against some players this is an easy fold, against some it's an easy call and against some it's one of those tough decisions that can drive you crazy.

Against an opponent you have no history with my guess is that a call is your best option, especially heads up, where people are much more likely to make moves like this with hands weaker than yours than in a game with more players.

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject:

In a full ring game I don't like to draw to a flush or straight with a pair on the board. A crafty player will bet small to encourage you to draw when you have a draw like that. Either you will pay and miss or you will hit and lose more money. Either way the monster gets paid. In a short-handed game I may go for the flush or straight, but it's too risky in a full 9 handed game.

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