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vinniepd · Pair Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 24

Hi All,

I think this is my first post in the forum even though I've been on FTP for a little over a year now and have done considerably well playing SnG's and MTT's. I'm terrible in ring games so I stick to tourny style of NL, of course.

I'm hoping this post will stir up some well thought out feedback on flush draws:

So, basically what "ticks me off" are players who call pre-flop with just about ANY two suited cards. If they hit two of their suited cards it is impossible to get them out of the pot. Why do some people play like this? I just don't get it. They risk all their chips on draws. This is not pot limit I'm talking about where players will chase anything to the river, it's no limit! Can someone explain the reasoning behind these types of players? Are you one of them?

I am just curious because I get so mad when a player calls off their stack on a flush draw and I hit a set and end up losing to a flush on the river.

Are these bad players? Or am I the bad player? Should I be calling 3-4x's big blind raises with any two suited cards?

Help me understand...

I will search thru hand histories and post examples if you guys would like.

Thanks!
Vinnie

froggers · High Card Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 8

"Should I be calling 3-4x's big blind raises with any two suited cards?"

nope, that's how you will quickly waste away your stack... you will only flop a 4 flush 10% of the time, and flop a flush less than 1% of the time. (not to mention the chances of someone having a higher flush).

if someone is calling anything on a 2 suited flop, and you can put them on the flush draw, just continue to give them incorrect odds to draw. you probably know yourself that you will in the long run you will win even if you do lose that 1/3 of the time that they will hit their flush.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:

Yeah, it's brutal.

I can understand doing it if you're short-stacked, but c'mon.

Repeatedly committing all your chips on draws is a loser way of playing poker. If you're only a 35% favourite to win the pot how long will it take for you to bust out of the tournament? Not very long.

And I know that good players are supposed to be thankful for poor players, and I am, but it can get awfully frustrating when you're at a table where you've got no idea what people are betting, especially if you're not flopping anything. Or when players are making ridiculous all-in bets pre-flop. Phil Hellmuth described it best, "It's like a minefield, man!"

froggers · High Card Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 8

haha, like your sig pic boynamedsue... i should sign in more often to see these...

is there anyway of creating a new account (this account isn't real money) just to use on the forums without connecting to the server? i just can't bring myself to use this name.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject:

I don't think so. I think only tilters can log into the forums.

froggers · High Card Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 8

ok thanks... i'll get my bro or someone to get my a new name.

foldthemnow · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject:

I have a friend that plays this way. He never wins the home tourneys we play but he definitely tilts at least one player a night. I've told him several times that calling because you are suited is a losing strategy but he enjoys tilting players. He says, "It's only $25, I'd spend more than that at a bar on any given night!"

I just take it in stride, knowing that in the long run I will be taking his money.

darkpoker12 · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject:

Yes this does suck, but for some reason( this just might be me or because you do see more hands) flushes seem to occur alot more often on the net than in person. One day on pokerstars i saw 8 flops in a row with just 1 suit in which I thought i was dreaming. To answer your question, no i dont believe there is a way because most people that do this are new to the game or are below avg players and are willing to risk there money to d up, plus some players just are not patient enough to wait for there chance and would rather risk doubling up now than grinding it out later.

FatStacks06 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 736

If he didn't try to draw out you wouldn't make any money. You make you money when people play incorrectly, but you WILL get sucked out on. All you can do is raise and protect your hand. Bet the flops that you hit hard and make them pay to play. But DO NOT play any too sooooooooooted cards. Your bankroll will burn up way too fast. I often chase flushes, but only when given proper odds. I've been called a fish for drawing into a $10 dollar pot after a $2 bet and hitting my flush. He's the fish giving me 6:1 on my money to hit something that has 3.5:1 odds in the first place. Don't let them draw, make them. And make them pay a lot for it. I'd rather just win the blinds or $2-3 then lose my whole stack.

Gypsydc · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: Re:

griffinlord · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Really ticks me off

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