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killjoy102 · Pair Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 21

We both had 9 High, but i had A low, and he had 2 Low, I still lost....

Full Tilt Poker Game #4959825791: $100 Freeroll (37561214), Table 235 - 40/80 Ante 7 - Limit Razz - 21:51:37 ET - 2008/01/22
Seat 1: SNIPER1USMC (1,100)
Seat 2: parker60 (4,520)
Seat 3: Mike Litt (180)
Seat 4: killjoy102 (990)
Seat 5: spf123 (1,680)
Seat 6: Plan B06 (1,460), is sitting out
Seat 7: karlm13 (620), is sitting out
Seat 8: thatsme1144 (1,450), is sitting out
SNIPER1USMC antes 7
parker60 antes 7
Mike Litt antes 7
killjoy102 antes 7
spf123 antes 7
Plan B06 antes 7
karlm13 antes 7
thatsme1144 antes 7
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to SNIPER1USMC [9h]
Dealt to parker60 [3h]
Dealt to Mike Litt [5s]
Dealt to killjoy102 [2d 7c] [As]
Dealt to spf123 [6c]
Dealt to Plan B06 [Ac]
Dealt to karlm13 [Js]
Dealt to thatsme1144 [8s]
karlm13 is high with [Js]
karlm13 brings in for 10
thatsme1144 folds
SNIPER1USMC calls 10
parker60 calls 10
Mike Litt folds
killjoy102 completes it to 40
spf123 folds
Plan B06 folds
karlm13 folds
SNIPER1USMC calls 30
parker60 calls 30
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to SNIPER1USMC [9h] [Jh]
Dealt to parker60 [3h] [Ah]
Dealt to killjoy102 [2d 7c As] [2s]
killjoy102 bets 40
SNIPER1USMC calls 40
parker60 calls 40
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to SNIPER1USMC [9h Jh] [4h]
Dealt to parker60 [3h Ah] [8d]
Dealt to killjoy102 [2d 7c As 2s] [Tc]
parker60 checks
killjoy102 bets 80
SNIPER1USMC calls 80
parker60 calls 80
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to SNIPER1USMC [9h Jh 4h] [5h]
Dealt to parker60 [3h Ah 8d] [Jc]
Dealt to killjoy102 [2d 7c As 2s Tc] [9c]
killjoy102 bets 80
SNIPER1USMC calls 80
parker60 calls 80
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to killjoy102 [2d 7c As 2s Tc 9c] [5d]
killjoy102 bets 80
SNIPER1USMC calls 80
parker60 calls 80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
killjoy102 shows [7c 5d As 2s Tc 9c 2d] 9,7,5,2,A
SNIPER1USMC shows [Qs 6s 9h Jh 4h 5h 2h] 9,6,5,4,2
parker60 mucks
SNIPER1USMC wins the pot (1,026) with 9,6,5,4,2
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,026 | Rake 0
Seat 1: SNIPER1USMC showed [Qs 6s 9h Jh 4h 5h 2h] and won (1,026) with 9,6,5,4,2
Seat 2: parker60 mucked [Jd Ts 3h Ah 8d Jc 5c] - T,8,5,3,A
Seat 4: killjoy102 showed [7c 5d As 2s Tc 9c 2d] and lost with 9,7,5,2,A

Something seems a bit off here.........

rockycatt · Message Board Junkie Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 2396

the 6 beat u out count down from the top

2 high flush · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

his 9,6 beats your 9,7.

like rocky said, count down from the top.

cubbies760 · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject:

You had 9,7,5,2,A

He had 9,6,5,4,2

9-6 is lower than 9-7.

killjoy102 · Pair Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 21

OK.... So
My 2 is lower then his 4, and my A is lower then his 2. Dont really get it.

SO basicly because his 6 beat my 7 my A2 against his 24 is ****.

rockycatt · Message Board Junkie Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 2396

if your top card was a 8 you would have won

skeeter1114 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1669

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3412

Killjoy, as you said in your second post, his 6 beats your 7 in Razz.

If they were holdem hands, who wins? You with:

9 7 5 2 A (where the ace plays as a low card)

or

9 6 5 4 2?

You would agree that 97 is higher than 96, right?

cubbies760 · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject:

OP, most poker games involve a 5-card poker hand. You can't just pick 2 or 3 cards to state your case.

In razz, you need to use your 5 lowest valued cards. Yours is 97xxx, and his is 96xxx. His is lower, so he wins. It's that simple.

killjoy102 · Pair Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 21

oh well.... just really starting to play and learn the game. i was just goin off of lowest hand,,, and thats how it is stated on your HOW TO PLAY guide. No where is it stated that you should count down from left to right. All that it states is Lowest Hand will win. So as i figured, if i go A-9 and he goes 2-9 I should win cause i am sitting with the LOWEST hand persay with the Ace. Plus the fact that if you want to say 9,7 loses to 9,6 well i could offset that and say as i did, My A,2, should have been lower ( and IS lower ) than his 2,4. I had 2 cards lower then his, and because he had 1 card lower then me he wins. Just doesnt make ANY sence at all. But oh well, take it as a learning lesson i guess.

And also it should be changed in your HOW to play sectoin of your site. If the best hand is A2345 it should be listed as
5432A that would help new people learn that hands arent read A2345 they are read the exact oppisite.

so ya, his
9,6,5,4,2 wins against
9,7,5,2,A

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3412

Killjoy, it might make figuring Razz hands easier if you pick the 5 best cards for your hand and treat each card as a numeral.

Your hand was 97,521 (treating the ace as a one).

Your opponent's hand was 96,542.

Mathematically, 96,542 < 97,521 so your opponent wins the hand. Obviously this doesn't work well for King-Ten cards, but if you're getting to showdown with 3 Ten+ cards, you've gotten hosed on 5th, 6th, and 7th.

SFBuc · Royal Flush Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 570

That is true I didn't read anything about how to read the cards in the QuickPlay or the Comprehensive. Maybe FT should update this to include how to read your cards and how to tell if yours wins or not. They aren't very clear...all they say is that A2345 is the lowest hand possible. But as everyone has stated, it goes highest to lowest. 96 beats the 97.

st1nker · Straight Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 103

Best way to learn how the hands win/lose of course is to just play awhile. Go start with the 10/20 tables on the chips site. Not too hard to tell what hands win/lose after you watch a few hands.

The 'math' example above (5 digit number, lowest wins) is a great explanation too. And yes, it is strange that you can start with A23 and end up losing with 9832A to 97654, but that's the game.

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