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Honest_Rob
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 Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: Should I be calling this down? |
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Am I just bleeding chips here?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2521653889: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (19172357), Table 1 - 40/80 - Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 14:41:26 ET - 2007/05/27
Seat 1: Pokerlover2007 (1,000)
Seat 2: Honest_Rob (1,455)
Seat 3: charlie631 (1,200)
Seat 4: zippiwiz (1,575)
Seat 5: John2437 (1,485), is sitting out
Seat 6: U_owe_Me (1,475)
Seat 7: sneezy3 (2,795)
Seat 8: kh66 (1,015)
Pokerlover2007 posts the small blind of 20
Honest_Rob posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [Jc Th 5h 3s]
charlie631 calls 40
zippiwiz folds
John2437 folds
U_owe_Me calls 40
sneezy3 calls 40
kh66 calls 40
Pokerlover2007 calls 20
Honest_Rob checks
*** FLOP *** [8s Tc 5d]
Pokerlover2007 checks
Honest_Rob checks
charlie631 checks
U_owe_Me checks
sneezy3 checks
kh66 checks
*** TURN *** [8s Tc 5d] [Jd]
Pokerlover2007 checks
Honest_Rob checks
charlie631 bets 80
U_owe_Me folds
sneezy3 folds
kh66 calls 80
Pokerlover2007 calls 80
Honest_Rob calls 80
*** RIVER *** [8s Tc 5d Jd] [8h]
Pokerlover2007 checks
Honest_Rob checks
charlie631 bets 80
kh66 folds
Pokerlover2007 folds
Honest_Rob calls 80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
charlie631 shows [As 9d Ts 7d] (a straight, Jack high)
Honest_Rob mucks
charlie631 wins the pot (720) with a straight, Jack high
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 720 | Rake 0
Board: [8s Tc 5d Jd 8h]
Seat 1: Pokerlover2007 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: Honest_Rob (big blind) mucked [Jc Th 5h 3s] - HI: two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 3: charlie631 showed [As 9d Ts 7d] and won (720) with HI: a straight, Jack high
Seat 4: zippiwiz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: John2437 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: U_owe_Me folded on the Turn
Seat 7: sneezy3 folded on the Turn
Seat 8: kh66 (button) folded on the River |
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goodtime
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The call OTT is questionable, but the River is definitley a fold, 100%. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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2 pair with that flop, isn't bad. But once the turn hit, your hand shrunk up considerably. Fold the turn.
You may not be leading, and the board has alot of drawing potential for you opponent. The J could easily have made a bigger 2 pair, along w/ a straight. |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| These have to become easy folds, unless you have top 2 and something else to back it up, like a flush or low draw. You could already be drawing against a made hand, and even if you were to fill up, it still might not be good. If you are drawing on the turn still, you want to be drawing to a nut(preferably nut scoop) hand. |
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Strasse
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| You guys seem to be missing the fact that rob DID have top two. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Strasse wrote: |
| You guys seem to be missing the fact that rob DID have top two. |
Exactly the turn improved my two pair to top two - Jacks and Tens. I would have folded the turn if I didn't improve and though I knew a straight was possible I looked him up because everyone checked the flop. Considering that I have top two on the turn should I be calling it down? |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| Strasse wrote: |
| You guys seem to be missing the fact that rob DID have top two. |
Exactly the turn improved my two pair to top two - Jacks and Tens. I would have folded the turn if I didn't improve and though I knew a straight was possible I looked him up because everyone checked the flop. Considering that I have top two on the turn should I be calling it down? |
Top 2 mediocre pair in a 6way dropped to 4way pot.
Top 2 lower tier plus the 5 is alright and HU it's something I might push about. However, 4 way, with 2 straights on the board(97 and Q9) as well as a flush draw, higher straight draws and no low draw, it's not a strong hand IMO. It's marginal at best. At this stage of the tourney, why get overly attached to a hand that really has a lot to dodge if actually ahead at that point? You're really only looking to fill up here, a 6 out draw. He's not getting the proper odds to do it. Even w/implied addtional bets. Any low drops and you're likely playing for possible half pot(still may be behind). Any non paired high drops and it opens the door for other straight and/or higher 2pr possibilities. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Strasse wrote: |
| You guys seem to be missing the fact that rob DID have top two. |
Yeah, I guess I missed that, but his hand is still vulnerable. I suppose that it is one of those situations that puts one in a stuck position.
I think if you are going to call the flop, then you have to call the turn, and hope to fill up, or hope that the draws missed.
This hand seems so borderline, that there probably isn't any one correct way to play it. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
| Strasse wrote: |
| You guys seem to be missing the fact that rob DID have top two. |
Yeah, I guess I missed that, but his hand is still vulnerable. I suppose that it is one of those situations that puts one in a stuck position.
I think if you are going to call the flop, then you have to call the turn, and hope to fill up, or hope that the draws missed.
This hand seems so borderline, that there probably isn't any one correct way to play it. |
The flop was checked. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
| Strasse wrote: |
| You guys seem to be missing the fact that rob DID have top two. |
Yeah, I guess I missed that, but his hand is still vulnerable. I suppose that it is one of those situations that puts one in a stuck position.
I think if you are going to call the flop, then you have to call the turn, and hope to fill up, or hope that the draws missed.
This hand seems so borderline, that there probably isn't any one correct way to play it. |
The flop was checked. |
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Strasse
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I think maybe her cubbies are blocking the screen, making it hard to see the HH. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Strasse wrote: |
| I think maybe her cubbies are blocking the screen, making it hard to see the HH. |
Probably not, because I don't have a bra on, therefore they sit a bit lower than usual. 
Just not paying as much attention as I should. |
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Honest_Rob
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| I think maybe her cubbies are blocking the screen, making it hard to see the HH. |
Probably not, because I don't have a bra on, therefore they sit a bit lower than usual.
Just not paying as much attention as I should. |
This thread is so weird now. |
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Zophar
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
| Strasse wrote: |
| I think maybe her cubbies are blocking the screen, making it hard to see the HH. |
Probably not, because I don't have a bra on, therefore they sit a bit lower than usual.
Just not paying as much attention as I should. |
This thread is so weird now. |
LOL, QFT. |
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