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Honest_Rob
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 Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: Hand |
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Do you check 6th? Any other critique is appreciated.
Full Tilt Poker Game #4533087026: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (34344513), Table 1 - 50/100 Ante 10 - Limit Razz - 13:53:32 ET - 2007/12/17
Seat 1: kasketten (1,600)
Seat 2: 1tokeovrtheline (2,025)
Seat 3: Honest_Rob (1,500)
Seat 4: ERMA4 (1,190)
Seat 5: Kleinen (1,325)
Seat 6: Suck0ut_55 (1,530)
Seat 7: betty boob 1 (1,070)
Seat 8: chance457 (1,760)
kasketten antes 10
1tokeovrtheline antes 10
Honest_Rob antes 10
ERMA4 antes 10
Kleinen antes 10
Suck0ut_55 antes 10
betty boob 1 antes 10
chance457 antes 10
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to kasketten [2d]
Dealt to 1tokeovrtheline [6h]
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s Ad] [6d]
Dealt to ERMA4 [4h]
Dealt to Kleinen [6s]
Dealt to Suck0ut_55 [9c]
Dealt to betty boob 1 [7s]
Dealt to chance457 [Qd]
chance457 is high with [Qd]
chance457 brings in for 15
kasketten has 15 seconds left to act
kasketten folds
1tokeovrtheline has 15 seconds left to act
1tokeovrtheline is sitting out
1tokeovrtheline has timed out
1tokeovrtheline folds
Honest_Rob completes it to 50
ERMA4 folds
1tokeovrtheline has returned
Kleinen has 15 seconds left to act
Kleinen raises to 100
Suck0ut_55 folds
betty boob 1 folds
chance457 folds
Honest_Rob raises to 150
Kleinen calls 50
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s Ad 6d] [3h]
Dealt to Kleinen [6s] [5c]
Honest_Rob bets 50
Kleinen calls 50
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s Ad 6d 3h] [Jh]
Dealt to Kleinen [6s 5c] [4c]
Kleinen has 15 seconds left to act
Kleinen bets 100
Honest_Rob calls 100
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s Ad 6d 3h Jh] [7d]
Dealt to Kleinen [6s 5c 4c] [Qh]
Honest_Rob checks
Kleinen has 15 seconds left to act
Kleinen checks
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [2s Ad 6d 3h Jh 7d] [5d]
Honest_Rob bets 100
Kleinen calls 100
*** SHOW DOWN *** |
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Big Slick x13x
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| I probably lead out 6th, I can't see you getting a fold here and if he does have a draw to a 6 I'd want to get some more money in the pot now. other then that nice hand. |
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alex j beeson
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No, don't check, keep up the betting.
His chances for hitting wheel are slim since you have the A23 in your hand.
By you checking you just give him a free chance to improve his hand. Keep up the pressure and extract the most chips possible from him and if he caught the wheel on the 7th then just bad luck.
On 7th you know his 654 is gonna lose to your 653, Unless he caught major help on the 7th, since he did not raise he must not have caught the wheel, Nice hand. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| alex j beeson wrote: |
No, don't check, keep up the betting.
His chances for hitting wheel are slim since you have the A23 in your hand.
By you checking you just give him a free chance to improve his hand. Keep up the pressure and extract the most chips possible from him and if he caught the wheel on the 7th then just bad luck.
On 7th you know his 654 is gonna lose to your 653, Unless he caught major help on the 7th, since he did not raise he must not have caught the wheel, Nice hand. |
You do realize he may have a made 654 low on fifth right? On sixth I hit a 7632A. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I nominate alex p keaton as Razz Playa' of the Month. |
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alex j beeson
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Honest_Rob wrote: |
| alex j beeson wrote: |
No, don't check, keep up the betting.
His chances for hitting wheel are slim since you have the A23 in your hand.
By you checking you just give him a free chance to improve his hand. Keep up the pressure and extract the most chips possible from him and if he caught the wheel on the 7th then just bad luck.
On 7th you know his 654 is gonna lose to your 653, Unless he caught major help on the 7th, since he did not raise he must not have caught the wheel, Nice hand. |
You do realize he may have a made 654 low on fifth right? On sixth I hit a 7632A. |
Of course it is possible he may have made the 654 low but for him to do so he would have to of had two of three cards, A23, all cards that you hold in your hand and one 2 was burned on the 3 street by another player. His chance of coompleting to the 654 are slim.
You checked and he checked on the 6th, if he wereWERE 654 low there is no way he is checking. If you had bet he would have been wise to raise HAD he caught his 654. So bet, and find out. On 7th, you find out you have a 653, you have his 654 dominated. He calls of course, especially if he has 654 or better, he has to just to be sure I suppose.
So post the showdown and show us all what he had, did he catch the miracle wheel on the 7th? Or a perfect 6? Either way, he caught it on the 7th, just like you caught your great hand (which was nice anyway on the 6th) on the 7th. |
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alex j beeson
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You do realize he may have a made 654 low on fifth right? On sixth I hit a 7632A. |
AND if he did catch and complete his 654 by the 6th, THAT means he caught it on the 5th, didnt stop you from betting there did it?? So why not keep up the betting? All you did was give him a free card to catch a hand, Where as you HAD caught a hand by the 6th with a 7 high, So bet, and if you get beat by a better hand then that was what you were gambling on on the 5th wasn't it???
Your original question was "Do you check on the 6th?" And I said no, bet it, especially as you were not too concerned with his hand on the 5th.
Either way he had to catch help on the 7th to beat you 7th catch. |
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alex j beeson
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
| I nominate alex p keaton as Razz Playa' of the Month. |
And as for Rob's question cubbies??? What say you?? bet or check on the 6th? Try some input instead of being a smart alec. Either way, may have a difference of opinion but no need to be rude.
And people wonder why the pro's don't participate on the forum. Bunch of kids. |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| alex j beeson wrote: |
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You do realize he may have a made 654 low on fifth right? On sixth I hit a 7632A. |
AND if he did catch and complete his 654 by the 6th, THAT means he caught it on the 5th, didnt stop you from betting there did it?? So why not keep up the betting? All you did was give him a free card to catch a hand, Where as you HAD caught a hand by the 6th with a 7 high, So bet, and if you get beat by a better hand then that was what you were gambling on on the 5th wasn't it???
Your original question was "Do you check on the 6th?" And I said no, bet it, especially as you were not too concerned with his hand on the 5th.
Either way he had to catch help on the 7th to beat you 7th catch. |
Yeah I know it just seemed like you were saying he had to hit a wheel or improve when he may have already been ahead. Just wanted to clear it up. Yes I know he had it on fifth if he had it already. I didn't bet on fifth. He acted first on fifth and bet and I called. I was concerned with his hand on 5th.
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| You checked and he checked on the 6th, if he wereWERE 654 low there is no way he is checking. If you had bet he would have been wise to raise HAD he caught his 654. |
Yes but I didn't know that on 6th. I was first to act. After he checked behind on 6th I was sure I was ahead. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| alex j beeson wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
| I nominate alex p keaton as Razz Playa' of the Month. |
And as for Rob's question cubbies??? What say you?? bet or check on the 6th? Try some input instead of being a smart alec. Either way, may have a difference of opinion but no need to be rude.
And people wonder why the pro's don't participate on the forum. Bunch of kids. |
I say that when one doesn't know much about the game, say nothing and learn from those who know something about the game......instead of making posts that clearly don't make any sense just for the sake of making a post. |
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alex j beeson
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Ahh good man, Yes correct you are, he did act first. Concern with his hand is why you checked on the 6th. I still would have bet on the 6th and you would have found out right away if he had the hand or was betting on the 5th to show strength.
I would find it hard to believe that he had completed his 654 though because of what i said ealier about the A23.
With that said, I am still very curious as to how the hand turned out. On the 7th you had to know you were good or at least thought you were.
Nice hand regardless either way, and if you lost, tough one, if you won the hand and he had completed 654 on the 5th then nice suck out! heheheh. Razz is awesome and evil at the same time..... |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the input alex. I'll post the results later. Just want to give a little more time for comments. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess I'll explain why I bet sixth here most of the time. It's mostly because you hit a brick on 5th. Most of the time the player betting into you is just betting his board vs your board. You can't raise because there's no way he's folding with that Q showing, so you just call. Now that you've hit a good hand on 6th, you have to bet it out. You're definitely ahead of your opponents range and value is a really good thing. If you get raised, be ready to call down. |
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alex j beeson
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| Thanks for the input alex. I'll post the results later. Just want to give a little more time for comments. |
YW sir, I enjoy the hands you post and you seem to always have a twist with them.
I am thinking that you ended up getting lucky and winning with that 7th, but the opponent did, in fact, have a completed hand on the 5th.
If he did of course it would be inexplicable why he would have checked on the 6th if he had...
Anyway, can hardly wait to see it,
Peace |
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Without knowing anything about the player, you can really go either way with it. Depending on the line of thought taken from his initial actions, I think an arguement can be made for checking or betting(my likely play).
Checking-He 2 bet on 3rd w/a great blocker out there(6). Could be betting A2 or A3 in the hole. On 6th he has a stronger board. Have no info on him. Check is alright.
Betting- He likely 2 bet to isolate, not necessarily for value, on 3rd street. That takes the concern for the A2/A3 in the hole combo down a bit. Consider also, if he really was that strong he's raising 4th or bricked fourth. His bet on 5th is typical continuation bet when paint hits. More edges towards betting. If he raises, it's only 1 extra bet and you still several outs to redraw to. I'm likely betting here.
*Checking for purpose of hopefully check raising is reasonable as well. |
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