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zhoux_888 · High Card Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 5

I saw a few players who did this when I HUed with them. Personally, I think it's a very stupid idea. You should always give your opponent a chance to bluff and disguise your powerful hands. I don't recall any good players do this but I might be wrong. Do you guys do this to bluff against tight players?

Zophar · Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject:

No. Never. Especially shorthanded. Why let anyone know that you have a huge edge in the hand?

Dashir · Pair Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 47

That's one style. I think if you're going to play, complete and give your opponent a chance to fold. If you always complete, you're not giving anything away other then you want to play these cards.

This snipet is taken from the Heads Up strategy post up a bit:

jacksquat97 · Pair Joined: 30 Aug 2007 Posts: 22

I would never do it in cash but I find this can be effective sometimes with a borderline hand. If you have 897 with 7 showing and your opponent has an ace showing. You might complete to steal the antes yourself to prohibit him from doing so. At least you'll know that if he calls or raises you'll have more info about what he has than if you let him do the completion, he could have a hand or absolutely nothing. With a medium card auto complete most opponents will fold unless they genuinely have something to play back at you with.

doorbread · Two Pair Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 61

Smart players will see that and know that you have a huge hand, but against less skilled players I've tried it and won large pots. Situational like so many other things in this crazy world of poker.

renegades8 · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject:

dumwaldo · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject:

I just wouldn't play razz heads up for cash so the only way I ever play heads up would be as the final two of a tournament. As the final two I would have to assume I am guaranteed several times my buy in and I would not have a problem exercising some creativity in such a circumstance.

I might bring in for the completion in such circumstances but I am inclined to think I would do it on a bluff before I would do it with a good starting hand. I could see opening for the completion with two face cards and five or lower on the door and my opponent is showing something like a 7, 8, or 9. To be perfectly honest, I think in the right situation I might even C-bet 4th and 5th if I think my opponent is capable of a fold when we get to the big bet streets.

You really do need a lot of creativity to play razz heads up and not end up playing a game of stamina to see who is just going to mentally give up first.

peace,
dumwaldo

alex j beeson · Message Board Junkie Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 1255

In HU razz aggression is KEY. New razz players who make it to HU in razz have no idea how to compete in HU.

If your opponent has a high card showing on the starting 3 and you have a low card COMPLETE regardless of your hole cards. You could have KK in the hole and an A showing against a 10 showing for your opponent. If you complete chances are he will fold.

In heads up you need to steal as many antes as possible, rarely will you actually make it to the 7th street regardless because as soon as one of you shows strength in the draws the other will fold.

Also to remember in HU is when playing skilled opponents is that they are doing the smae thing. They could have KK in the hole with an A showing and you have A2 in the hole with a 10 showing. When they complete it on you RAISE THEM. If they reraise then you might want to fold, otherwise they will fold if they have bricks in the hole as then see that their attempt to steal has been thwarted.

AGGRESSION, AGGRESSION IS KEY BUT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIMES!!!!

Dont be afraid, you are already in the money, steal the antes and move on to the next steal.

Now if you have a really good starting hand like A2 and 3 showing and the opponent has an A showing, just do the bring in, if he completes you raise. If he has a good hand he reraises you reraise him and get a big pot going while you have the best cards and hope you have good draws and keep pounding it to your opponent.

Also, keep in mind, don't give up too easy, you start with three good cards and and go in and your opponent calls. on the 4th you get a brick. Don't auto matically fold every time. Try to get at least to the 5th, if you have 4 out of 5 good cards and his board is not too powerful stay in and try to out draw him. Remember, Razz is a drawing game.

In HU each of you will be getting bricks and pairs, very very rarely does anyone get A234567 dealt to them on a hand, there will be bricks and pairs in there. Trust me.
Peace

"Fortune favors the bold!"

alex j beeson · Message Board Junkie Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 1255

OH, one more thing, Cash ring games are a different animal, play tight razz in those venues. By all means steal if possible but be very careful. It can get very expensive is you mess up.

Tight razz is starting 3 no pairs with nothing higher than an 8, and you better not have an 87, I cannot stress how many times you will be beat with 8732A to an 86543 or something like that. 9's are practically worthless in ring games unless the opponents are drawing really badly.

Tight Tight Tight in ring games, good starting 3 and either improving as you draw or your opponent is getting worse each draw than you.

Good luck at the felts

PokerAA · Message Board Junkie Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 1610

alex j beeson · Message Board Junkie Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 1255

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Is he not going to fold anyway if he has a bad hand???

But he's going to fold with a bad hand either way so trying to bluff with a completion doesn't seem like it would work.[/quote]

You are right PokerAA, the best way to snag a few extra chips is when you have good starting hands and instead of completing just bring in. When the opponent goes for the steal and completes then reraise.
He will either attempt to push the steal or fold. Then just hope you draw better.

I.E. You have A3 6 showing, you opponent has a 5 showing. You don't complete but pause, then just bring in. You opponent sensing weakness goes ahead and completes. You then re-raise. If he has a starting hand he will then call or re-raise you. Then it turns to a drawing match and you must outdraw you opponent.

Having a card like a 9 should not deture you too much either, i.e. A,3 9 showing your opponent has 3 showing, go ahead and bring in and call or re-raise his completion. If you raise his completion and he re-raises you then know he has your 9 beat, but that is all he has. Then you must outdraw.

PokerAA · Message Board Junkie Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 1610

I.E. You have A3 6 showing, you opponent has a 5 showing. You don't complete but pause, then just bring in. You opponent sensing weakness goes ahead and completes. You then re-raise. If he has a starting hand he will then call or re-raise you. Then it turns to a drawing match and you must outdraw you opponent.[/quote]

Either way you play it, if your opponent calls the completion or re-raise, it will be a coin flip because he'll have a nice hand if he's going to call..

renegades8 · Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject:

Dashir · Pair Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 47

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