| Author |
Message |
2 high flush
Forum Bounty Hunter
Joined: 03 Nov 2005
Posts: 5888
Location: Aboard the bebop.
|
 Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: anything i can do here? |
 |
|
can i possibly fold on 7th?
Full Tilt Poker Game #4282489098: Daily Forum Gathering (32406583), Table 2 - 150/300 Ante 25 - Limit Stud Hi - 14:42:35 ET - 2007/11/24
Seat 1: razycray (2,601)
Seat 2: 46425126 (1,594)
Seat 3: 2 high flush (2,746)
Seat 5: zocker87 (1,378)
Seat 6: FL4K3 (2,351)
Seat 7: Nilius85 (2,275)
Seat 8: A55A55IN (3,555)
razycray antes 25
46425126 antes 25
2 high flush antes 25
zocker87 antes 25
FL4K3 antes 25
Nilius85 antes 25
A55A55IN antes 25
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to razycray [7c]
Dealt to 46425126 [3d]
Dealt to 2 high flush [8d 8s] [Kd]
Dealt to zocker87 [Qh]
Dealt to FL4K3 [2h]
Dealt to Nilius85 [9h]
Dealt to A55A55IN [5h]
FL4K3 is low with [2h]
FL4K3 brings in for 50
Nilius85 completes it to 150
A55A55IN folds
razycray folds
46425126 folds
2 high flush calls 150
zocker87 folds
FL4K3 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to 2 high flush [8d 8s Kd] [Kh]
Dealt to Nilius85 [9h] [3s]
2 high flush bets 150
Nilius85 calls 150
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to 2 high flush [8d 8s Kd Kh] [Qs]
Dealt to Nilius85 [9h 3s] [4s]
2 high flush bets 300
Nilius85 calls 300
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to 2 high flush [8d 8s Kd Kh Qs] [Ad]
Dealt to Nilius85 [9h 3s 4s] [Qd]
2 high flush bets 300
Nilius85 calls 300
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to 2 high flush [8d 8s Kd Kh Qs Ad] [5s]
46425126 is sitting out
2 high flush bets 300
Nilius85 raises to 600
2 high flush calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nilius85 shows [Ah Ac 9h 3s 4s Qd 9c] two pair, Aces and Nines
2 high flush mucks
Nilius85 wins the pot (3,225) with two pair, Aces and Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,225 | Rake 0
Seat 1: razycray folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: 46425126 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: 2 high flush mucked [8s 8d Kd Kh Qs Ad 5s] - two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 5: zocker87 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: FL4K3 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: Nilius85 showed [Ah Ac 9h 3s 4s Qd 9c] and won (3,225) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 8: A55A55IN folded on 3rd St. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
cubbies760
Next Year Is Here
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 5934
Location: Suburban Chicago
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm no stud expert, but I'll give you my opinion.
I wouldn't bet 7th street. Your opponent is calling all of your bets while your board shows KK. The only way that you get called on 7th is if you're beat. I'd just check/call the river, since it gives him an opportunity to bluff the river if he missed a draw.
As played, I'd seriously consider folding to the extra 300. He either has you beat, or is a maniac that's trying to bluff. The high majority of the times he's raising for value because he has you beat. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
loserallmylife
Banned
Joined: 21 Nov 2007
Posts: 43
Location: FTP
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| FOLD |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Strasse
Forum Ego
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 3571
Location: Austin, TX
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| cubbies760 wrote: |
I'm no stud expert, but I'll give you my opinion.
I wouldn't bet 7th street. Your opponent is calling all of your bets while your board shows KK. The only way that you get called on 7th is if you're beat. I'd just check/call the river, since it gives him an opportunity to bluff the river if he missed a draw.
As played, I'd seriously consider folding to the extra 300. He either has you beat, or is a maniac that's trying to bluff. The high majority of the times he's raising for value because he has you beat. |
Cubbies has it right here. I don't mind the bet as much as cubbies does, as long as you fold if you are raised. Its obvious you have kings up, so he's not raising unless he can beat you. You can bet the river for value if you put him on AA, and fold to a raise, because this means he two paired. Or you can check call, although this was you lose a little bit of value the times he would have called a bet when he still only has the 1 pair. Once you pair your kings, and he keeps calling your bets, you can narrow his range down to AA in the hole, or rolled up. Therefore it makes all your other decisions easier. I think if he was rolled up, he'd raise 4th or 5th to see where you are at. Therefore, he almost certainly has aces, and you can play accordingly. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dumwaldo
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 1596
Location: look to the stars
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I would have been confused by his calling every bet and not reraising any of them. I would have had to figure him for some kind of draw that could beat a set of kings since the way you bet represented the set all the way. I think on 7th I would have checked. If he hit his draw I want to minimize the loss because I am going to pay to see his cards. If he missed he is going to fold and I am not going to get paid on he last bet and I will not get to see his cards. If I check and he missed, at least I get to see his cards and find out what kind of draw he was willing to call a bet on ever street with.
Then it is player note time.
peace,
dumwaldo |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
2 high flush
Forum Bounty Hunter
Joined: 03 Nov 2005
Posts: 5888
Location: Aboard the bebop.
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| thanks guys. i dont know stud all that well, my first instinct was to **** and moan about the suckout, either he hit the ace or the 9 on 7th which meant i was ahead the whole time but then i decided to ask someone who knows about stud because without knowing the hole cards the raise on 7th is very interesting with [9h 3s 4s Qd] showing. turns out i should have slowed down. just didnt think i was beat with that board. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Strasse
Forum Ego
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 3571
Location: Austin, TX
|
| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| dumwaldo wrote: |
I would have been confused by his calling every bet and not reraising any of them. I would have had to figure him for some kind of draw that could beat a set of kings since the way you bet represented the set all the way. I think on 7th I would have checked. If he hit his draw I want to minimize the loss because I am going to pay to see his cards. If he missed he is going to fold and I am not going to get paid on he last bet and I will not get to see his cards. If I check and he missed, at least I get to see his cards and find out what kind of draw he was willing to call a bet on ever street with.
Then it is player note time.
peace,
dumwaldo |
But his board doesn't have a draw possible on 4th, and its hard to believe he would call w/ a 3 flush or straight when the kings pair. I'd say there is a 2% chance he has a draw here. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
theman728
High Card
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Posts: 14
|
| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
| check call..all day |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
doorbread
Two Pair
Joined: 28 Apr 2007
Posts: 61
|
| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
When he calls you on 4th when you have open kings, you can safely assume that he's got aces when he's completed with a 9 up. Knowing this, you should not bet the river as you will only get called (or in this case raised) by a hand that has you beat. Check / fold 7th, or call if you're that damn curious.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PARASOFT
Pair
Joined: 14 Dec 2006
Posts: 39
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I'm not a stud expert but isn't this a standard fold? The original raiser has pair of 9s at worst and you are big underdog, right? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Strasse
Forum Ego
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 3571
Location: Austin, TX
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| PARASOFT wrote: |
| I'm not a stud expert but isn't this a standard fold? The original raiser has pair of 9s at worst and you are big underdog, right? |
He would not be a big underdog to a pair of nines, plus he has deception if he hits a set. Go to twodimes.net and play around with different hands, you will see that hands are not as big a favorite in stud as you would think. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
audsb
Royal Flush
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
Posts: 726
Location: Oakland
|
| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| i suck at stud no matter what, mostly. definitely my weakness in horse. thanks for the tips cubbies and strasse... i will def check out that site. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
laming
Pair
Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 25
|
| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I would fold :/ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
