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GoPair
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 Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:58 am Post subject: PLAY POKER ONLINE FOR LIVING |
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| I AM CURIOUS HOW PEOPLE'VE BEEN PLAY POKER ONLINE FOR LIVING. I MEAN I TRIED BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK FOR ME. I'VE TRIED TO PLAY AT LEAST 6-10 TABLES AT THE SAME TIME BUT IT STILL SEEMS LIKE I AM NOT MOVING UP OR AT LEAST TO BUILD DECEND BANKROLLS. I THINK I AM A GOOD PLAYER AND MY FRIENDS ALSO THINK I AM GOOD PLAYER AS WELL. I AM CONFUSED, I MEAN IS THERE SOMETHING THAT I AM DOING WRONG WHEN I PLAYED GREAT CARDS FOR MOST OF TIME AND ABLE TO PLAY 6-10 TALBES, AT FIXED LIMIT HOLDEM OF 3-6 OR DO I NEED TO MOVE UP TO HIGHER GAMES? I CAN'T MOVE UP EITHER BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE PROPER BANKROL TO MOVE UP. I CAN AFFORD TO PLAY 3-6 FIXED LIMIT HOLDEM OR MAYBE 5/10. CAN ANYONE HELP WITH THIS? WHAT SHOULD I DO? |
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Flying_Kiwi
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Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Location: somewhere spacific
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| STOP PLAYING DRUNK. |
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ManilaDog
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Location: Brockton Ma and Republic Of Philippines
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Flying_Kiwi wrote: |
| STOP PLAYING DRUNK. |
I knew you d be the one to figure it out,thanks. |
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ridic x
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Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: At your tables stealin your moneyz
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| First thing is first, get rake-back. |
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griffinlord
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Location: The Great Plains of South Dakota
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Make sure you are winning steadily at 1-2 tables at a time before you start playing 6-10 tables. Every additional table cuts your win rate per table.
Say you are winning 1BB/100 @ 3/6 by single tabling. If you go to two tables your win rate drops to, say, 0.8BB/100 per table or about 1.6BB for the same time investment as 1BB playing a single table. That's good for you.
But if you add a third table you could drop to 0.5BB/100 per table which nets you less money than two tabling. That's bad for you and you should go back to two tables.
If you are netting more on three tables, try 4 and see how it goes. |
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OldRod
Two Pair
Joined: 02 Sep 2007
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Speaking of multi-tabling... I was watching the WSOP the other night and they were talking about Hevad Kahn and said he was playing 43 tables at once online and got his account suspended because the site owners thought he was a bot. He sent in a video of himself doing it to prove he could and they reopened his account.
Anyone know what site he plays on?
But more importantly, how in the world could you play 43 tables at once?!? |
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Charzhino
Two Pair
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
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Location: Bolton
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| He was playing on pokerstars. Infact I think there is still a video on youtube of him recording himself playing 43 sit and goes with rocky music playing the background. To find this just search RainKhan or similar. |
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GoPair
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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griffinlord:
I think I migh have missed play multi-tablings. And maybe u r rite. What limit game or no-limit games I should start out with. I am confused what to do or to start the right paths in poker. I have been reading books, watch whole bunch poker on TV, and play a lot as well in both live games and online games. I have spent the last 6 months trying to play poker and my bankroll is the same or lost about 30% of my bankrolls. I have always believe in myself that I am a good player, and my playeable hands are suited-connectors, 10s up to AK, or pairs, position play, and read my opponents at the same time. I learned poker quick when I started playing poker about 3 yrs ago and going my 4th yrs. I want to figure out what I am doing wrong at this point. And the questions are should I continue to play or quit the game? |
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griffinlord
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| GoPair wrote: |
griffinlord:
I think I migh have missed play multi-tablings. And maybe u r rite. What limit game or no-limit games I should start out with. |
That depends. Great answer, huh? It depends on both what you can afford and how much it takes for you to play seriously. For me .5/1 FL is about where I start to play my best (although still needs work) game. I can afford the swings at that level without losing any sleep over the money, but it is still enough for me to take it seriously.
You might also consider that FLHE is not your best game. You should bounce around at the micros and play some different games and variations on limit, pot limit, and no limit. Maybe you are a NLHE player at heart and just have no business playing FL. Maybe you are an Omaha player and shouldn't really be messing with HE.
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| I am confused what to do or to start the right paths in poker. I have been reading books, watch whole bunch poker on TV, and play a lot as well in both live games and online games. I have spent the last 6 months trying to play poker and my bankroll is the same or lost about 30% of my bankrolls. |
Reading books is okay. Studying books is much better. After all, when you read a section or two of a poker book there will be an exam the next time you sit at the table.
The good news is you only have to ace one part of the exam at a time.
You mentioned starting hand selection...a useful skill. But all the books have much more information on post-flop play. Memorizing a pre-flop starting hand chart is relatively easy and pretty much every semi-serious player has done that much. But it isn't enough to make you a winning player....especially at anything above the micros. Post-flop play is what you must study and get great at if you want to make money at the higher games.
TV is all NL and the majority of what you watch is heavily edited. Don't use TV as a study tool or you will never be a winner.
You also have to be successful at applying what you know at the tables. This is my biggest failing--I have lots of hands where I tell myself to play differently than I do and I'm almost always right. If I would just listen to my own advice I'd be playing bigger games right now.  
Sounds like you've trying to play seriously for about 6 months...I know that there are some wiz kids out there that are learning and moving up to the top levels in 6-months to a year....but they are "one-in-a-million" players who have a combination of talents that allow them to move so quickly. The rest of us have to work a lot longer and a lot harder to make serious progress. |
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griffinlord
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| griffinlord wrote: |
Sounds like you've trying to play seriously for about 6 months...I know that there are some wiz kids out there that are learning and moving up to the top levels in 6-months to a year....but they are "one-in-a-million" players who have a combination of talents that allow them to move so quickly. The rest of us have to work a lot longer and a lot harder to make serious progress. |
Just a follow up on this comment: Those who have reason to know generally agree that the UIGEA has made the online games a lot tougher than they were a year ago. The casual players who play occasionally for amusement are having to work too hard to get money deposited so they just don't bother.
What that means is that the skill level required to make money has increased considerably because the weakest players are gone. Instead of one shark per 3-4 fish the tables now have 3-4 sharks per fish. The smaller sharks are becoming food for the bigger sharks.
To get started now and trying to make money is going to take waaaay more work than it did two years ago. |
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GoPair
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griffinlord:
Where I live there are more FLHE then PL or NL games. Maybe I should switch to NL or PL for a while and to see if I can make some $$$ there. I think one problem I have is that I don't have a good/great friend who is good at poker that I can share or talk to. Most of my friends are fearing me when it comes to play poker against them. They know that I am a great player and I don't waste my money for a hand that is not strong.
I have also realized that people are getting better at poker then when I started it out. But still that are so many bad players are out there as well. And cards are random so they got lucky ran me down. Oh well that's poker rite. And sometime I feel or felt stupid and not know else to do. I've re-discovered or re-considered what I did that were wrong moves. And I think that one of my problem is that if kept getting ran over by opponents then I started to play a few bad hands because of the emotionals that I can't get over with. I need to get over my emotionals and maybe just be happy or say nh to my opponents.
Oh the other thing is how do you manage your money to play poker or manage your winnings? I think that I don't have the right paths for that either. Would u might to share? Thanks. |
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GoPair
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griffinlord:
I forgot to ask you. How long have you been playing poker? What games do you like most, FLHE or NLHE? And if you play multi-tables online, do you prefer FLHE or NLHE? |
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griffinlord
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| GoPair wrote: |
griffinlord:
I forgot to ask you. How long have you been playing poker? What games do you like most, FLHE or NLHE? And if you play multi-tables online, do you prefer FLHE or NLHE? |
Depends on how you count.
My dad taught me to play about 38 years ago and I've been playing off-and-on ever since. I didn't have much opportunity to play but I still subscribed to Poker Player Newspaper (I think that was the title) from about 1982 to about 1988. I played regularly 1984 - 1986 in a home game, then I lapsed until 2004 when I discovered that poker had made it to the internet. I've been playing regularly online since Nov of 2004.
By "regularly" I mean somewhere between 4-12 hours per week. Real work and kids have to come first which doesn't leave a lot of time...but at least work lets me chat on forums so I get a bit of a poker fix every day.
Right now I am focused on 6-max FLHE....but I seem to have lost any skill I once had at tossing away a losing hand so I should probably take a break and go play something else for a while.
I play NLHE occasionally and if I don't tilt I do okay.
I typically play two tables at a time, especially short handed. Full tables I'll sometimes add a third table.
But now my alarm went off and I must go.... |
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GoPair
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your responded. C ya! |
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