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spike420211
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 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: the M factor? |
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For stud, stud/8, and razz tournaments, your M factor is easier to calculate than it is for holdem. Just multiply the big bet in the current round by 4 [ or
maybe 5 or 6 depending on how loose/wild the table is, especially in stud/8]
and divide this into your stack.
The dead-zone factor is still <= 1
The red-zone factor is > 1 and <2
The orange-zone factor is >2 and <3
The yellow-zone factor is >3 and <5
The green-zone factor is >5
Use whatever guidelines you feel comfortable with in each zone, keeping in
mind that red-zone and dead-zone factors can put you in an all-in situation.
I just kinda use this philosophy as an aid, comments [or complete teardown of theory] welcome...
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renegades8
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: Re: the M factor? |
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| spike420211 wrote: |
For stud, stud/8, and razz tournaments, your M factor is easier to calculate than it is for holdem. Just multiply the big bet in the current round by 4 [ or
maybe 5 or 6 depending on how loose/wild the table is, especially in stud/8]
and divide this into your stack.
The dead-zone factor is still <= 1
The red-zone factor is > 1 and <2
The orange-zone factor is >2 and <3
The yellow-zone factor is >3 and <5
The green-zone factor is >5
Use whatever guidelines you feel comfortable with in each zone, keeping in
mind that red-zone and dead-zone factors can put you in an all-in situation.
I just kinda use this philosophy as an aid, comments [or complete teardown of theory] welcome...
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I don't see how it's that hard to figure it out in hold'em. Just look at how big the pot is after the blinds and antes. As for figuring it out in stud, isn't it basically the same? You calculate all of the antes as well as the bring-in? Since when does how agressive the players are at your table affect what your M is? |
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Strasse
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Location: Austin, TX
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| There is no M in stud, because there is no "round" |
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spike420211
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Joined: 25 Apr 2007
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Location: Scranton, PA [u friggin a]
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: the M factor? |
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| renegades8 wrote: |
| Since when does how agressive the players are at your table affect what your M is? |
In a low buy-in stud/8 tournament, it's common to see 3rd and 4th street capped, multi-way.
| Strasse wrote: |
| There is no M in stud, because there is no "round" |
You're quite correct, Strasse, but i wasn't sure what else to call it. |
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critterbugg
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Joined: 22 Jan 2007
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Location: Truro, Nova Scotia
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| what is " m" value? |
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mathman1115
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Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Strasse wrote: |
| There is no M in stud, because there is no "round" |
I agree with Strasse, but i think his reasoning is a little unclear.
The definition of an M value is the ratio of the number of chips in your stack to the total number of chips involuntarily put into the pot before the cards are dealt in a tournament situation.
Keep in mind that an M value and the theory behind it is all based on NL play. It is an idea based on profitably putting the rest of your chips in the pot (whether it be via a raise or a call) to win the pot by your opponent folding or you winning a showdown respectively. And the direct result is to give you the best chance at surviving/winning a tournament.
However, in a limit game, the idea of an M value is flawed because the amount of your bet/raise can never be more than the amount of a fixed number. Therefore, your fold equity can only be, at most, equal to the fold equity you would have in a NL situation, but never any better and likely much worse.
You could hypothetically define a "round" of stud, since you are still forced to put money into the pot each hand. Let "p" equal the number of players at your current table. Then, in a "round" of stud, you would be involutarily putting in:
(p times amount of ante) + (amount of bring in divided by p)
I say that we divide the amount of the bring in divided by p because, statistically, we will be putting the bring in into the pot, on average, once each defined round.
The big difference between what i am claiming to be a round of stud and what really is a round of holdem is the fact that you can ANTICIPATE when its time to put it in in a holdem game (as the blinds come around), whereas in stud you'll be statistically putting that fraction of the involuntary amount each hand.
So, as Strasse said, there really isn't any "round" in stud because you have no control of when your chips involuntarily go in piece by piece, whereas in holdem you do have control because you are anticipating when the blinds come to you therefore affecting when your actual decision to put the chips in finally comes. |
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side_tracked
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| what i though the defintion of m a ratio of your chip compared to the blinds an antes but also your m is how rounds you can play befor being blinded out say your m is 10 you can last 10 rounds if you never play a hand before being blind out |
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