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Momo · High Card Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 8

That's ok. I guess it's time to get waxed or something. Razz

ridic x · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject:

IAmTheVietcong · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject:

Hi there Momo!

I was you for about 2-3 years. HPFAP in my left hand. SSHE in my right hand. I read the books and couldn't beat them. I was a better player than them. They made all the mistakes and "seemed" to get lucky.

Ultimately, I found that I was simply sitting around too often waiting for a hand, then overplaying it once I got it. In Limit Hold'em, it's hard to get players to fold draws when the pot odds are in their favor. No matter what, you're never going to price out two overcards or a flush draw with any betting. They're going to chase. Mathematically, it's correct to chase some draws.

A lot of other members have said the same, but try limping in from position when pots have already been opened. Against these guys, show them the best hand.

I recommend that you post some hands on here and get advice and opinions from others on your play.

IAmTheVietcong · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject:

drcossack · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject:

Here's a few LHE hands from my last live session, mixed with some humor (hand one) and some of my thoughts/reads:

This is a 2/4 live game. I have the trip report posted on both blogger and myspace. A lot of the post-flop action is missing, but it's usually me either betting or raising.

mathman1115 · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject:

After reading through this entire thread, i see some good advice and i see some bad advice. I too struggle with low limit HE, and i know i have received some good advice in the past.

Personally, Roxx, i think you gave about some of the worse advice i have ever seen. Play 68% of your hands? Play 95 and T6 because they are suited? Land a few miracle straights? You seriously have to be kidding me. Your basic plan is turn the game into luck without really seriously realizing how much of an edge you do have (in the long run) against bad players who play ATC. One of the worse things you can do is play like a moron because everyone else is playing that way and getting lucky enough to suckout. Also, the fact that its live i really don't think it matters. Other than being able to read people, which isn't going to play that much anyway, as someone said LLHE is a game of showdowns. If you want to win pots, you need good hands.

Which brings me to my first piece of advice. If you are going to play a big pot, have a big hand. Its very simple and obvious advice, but i still see players all of the time forgetting it. If several players are to the flop, raise or not, you want to be playing hands that give you an opportunity to give you sets (ie pocket pairs), nut or 2nd nut flushes (Ax or Kx suited), and high end str8s (89, 9T, TJ, etc). The key, however, in playing these hands is to know how to let them go when you hit a piece of the flop. Many players understand that a hand like TJs is great to play with 7 people to the flop because it can give a monster and help you win a big pot. What they don't understand is that if the flop comes 67T, your top pair is pretty much crap and you have to let it go. Even if you have the best hand now, players will chase overcards, gutshots, and anyone with a pair is going to stay in and try and hit a card. If your pair of tens doesn't improve, you have no chance to win this pot.

Now you can try some fancy plays like check raising if you want to try and eliminate the field, but remember fancy plays and advanced plays won't work on most bad players. A bad player will see you check raise, but a bad player usually already knows what he is doing when its his turn despite what kind of action is going on in the hand. A bad player says "I have a pair, i'm not folding, because I can still hit another card."

Sometimes the play is so bad that you have to play high pocket pairs (TT, JJ, QQ, even KK and AA) for set value, and if you do not hit a set and see resistance, you have to let them go. Play hands like AQs, AK, for their straight and flush possiblities and not for the high pairs when several players are in.

In almost any game you play, you have to adjust. In a game such as the one you are describing, you have to play almost the opposite of ABC poker. Their are no premium starting hands in a super loose game. You are playing to hit hands that will win a showdown agianst 3 or more opponents.

Hope this helps, and Good Luck.

HuJwang · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject:

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject:

live4freerolls · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject:

ridic x · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject:

Heh didn't realize he was talking live, this could get interesting. Check out this thread.

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/viewtopic.php?t=20730

fatcurt · High Card Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 2

Obviously there is a lot of mixed advice here. Although 68 percent of hands may be a bit much, in a game such as you described waiting for big hands is going to hurt you. If players are limping preflop and then taking their hands too far, you should absolutely be seeing flops with just about any two gap suited, one gapper, any pair, any two big cards and more. The point is that even if you're dominated, the pot odds are so high that when you catch something, it will pay off well more than what you put in. If you don't catch, you fold.

Simply put, if you play 10 marginal hands, for 2 dollars preflop and you catch one monster when the average pot is 40 dollars, then you are making money. Just don't get sucked into calling the whole way in a multi person pot with only top pair. If you can play well after the flop and know when to let go, you're golden in that game. I'm sure that many people here have read the low limit holdem books and in games like this, your ev raises significantly by playing more hands. Don't wait for monster preflop hands but of course, don't be reckless. The key in this game is to outplay people after the flop, not before, because in a game like you described, your opponents are convinced that any two cards can win. Get ahead on the flop or have good pot odds for a big draw, and take them out.

zimaks · High Card Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

Rob123xyz · High Card Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 20

Most books on poker deal with No Limit Hold'Em. But Doyle Brunson's "Super System" has a pretty decent section on Limit Hold'Em, written by Bobby Baldwin (currently the President of the Bellagio I think). Worth reading IMO.

I'm personally playing mostly Limit ($1/$2) and occasionally pot limit or capped no-limit. I've grown disgusted with folding one junk hand after another at a no-limit table only to finally wake up to pocket Queens or Big Slick and get ready to play it out only to have 3-4 guys at the table going/calling all-in (with all kinds of mediocre hands) and I lose my stack to someone going all-in with 5-6 offsuit hitting a lucky two-pairs or straight on fifth street. It happens so often it's become an anethma to me. At least in Limit, I get a chance for a cheap flop and then I can lay em down if I don't hit anything. I admit I don't yet (if ever) have the killer aggressive style and nerves of steel to bluff big time with nothing and risk a big stack on one play - that it takes to be successful at no-limit. But I have been making dinner money at limit games. Like Clint said, A man needs to know his limitations.

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