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mathman1115 · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: I hate these spots

What should i do here?? Spirit Keeper is a bit unpredictable at this point, but he seems to understand the game. I'd say it's 50/50 whether he has split aces or not. 2 Qs out.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3261815515: Table Cimarron - $0.50/$1 Ante $0.10 - Limit Stud Hi - 16:40:37 ET - 2007/08/15
Seat 1: TheBull12 ($59)
Seat 2: Spirit Keeper ($10.30)
Seat 3: Ravanello ($18.15)
Seat 4: Mathman1115 ($12.10)
Seat 5: simpkiss ($1.75)
Seat 6: gaza107 ($8.75)
Seat 7: Reliant444 ($20.85)
Seat 8: KILLIEMAN ($33.75)
TheBull12 antes $0.10
Reliant444 antes $0.10
Spirit Keeper antes $0.10
gaza107 antes $0.10
KILLIEMAN antes $0.10
Mathman1115 antes $0.10
simpkiss antes $0.10
Ravanello antes $0.10
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to TheBull12 [6h]
Dealt to Spirit Keeper [Ah]
Dealt to Ravanello [5s]
Dealt to Mathman1115 [Jc Qh] [Jd]
Dealt to simpkiss [4h]
Dealt to gaza107 [4s]
Dealt to Reliant444 [Qd]
Dealt to KILLIEMAN [Qs]
simpkiss is low with [4h]
simpkiss brings in for $0.15
gaza107 folds
Reliant444 calls $0.15
KILLIEMAN folds
TheBull12 folds
Spirit Keeper completes it to $0.50
Ravanello folds
Mathman1115 ????

mathman1115 · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject:

Anyone?

I realize this isn't too exciting of a hand, but i'm looking for leaks.

Zophar · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject:

Sometimes I'll raise here, sometimes I'll call, other times I'll fold. Vague enough?

Because of the Q's in play, I'll usually fold this. Normally a pocket pair is only about a 65/35 favorite, so if they Q's weren't up I'd consider raising him to see how confident he feels about that ace. Occasionally I'll smooth cool here. If one of the Q's were out, a mix of smooth calls and folds. If the Q were suited to either J(not a heart basically) it would pick up a little more value.

Basically, if you're not sure of the player, I wouldn't continue here.

mathman1115 · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject:

Zophar · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject:

To me, you're not giving the 2pair possibility enough credit. High pairing cards can be important here. Unlike holdem, overpair underpair differences aren't quite as large because of these additional outs.

How much are you willing to pay to make a set? Your only going to do it about 17% of the time, so you really do want backup.

The quuens being out are straight blockers for sure, but only relevent to that role if you are certain that's what he's drawing for.

I just think better spots to play back against represented aces will present themselves.

It seems like you're frusterated w/the game, which can happen. People hate razz sometimes, but should also hate stud for the same reasons. Look to see if you are playing your flush and straight draws for value. Are you raising for value on 6th and 7th? Are you rasing your 4th street come hands enough? Too much? Calling 5th street too much? Alot of little bets will add up in each direction.

Strasse · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject:

I think you need to fold here. 2 queens are dead, you don't have a 2 flush, and spirit completed after someone else already limped, greatly reducing the chance that he is on a steal. If some of these conditions were better, you could possibly play, depending on your read on the player. If he raises any ace, sure, you can play, but I might raise him instead of calling, trying to find out where I am at. Even if he doesn't have aces, doesn't mean you are ahead. He could have (KsTs)As or some such hand. Let this one go and move on.

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