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Strasse · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: Hand Analysis

I think I played this well, raised to isolate on 3rd, trying to knock out any 3 low. Nobody caught a low card on 4th. Any comments welcome though.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3183448586: Satellite to FTOPS Event #2 (24252957), Table 2 - 80/160 Ante 15 - Limit Stud H/L - 19:03:13 ET - 2007/08/07
Seat 1: Crazy_Wasian (925)
Seat 3: Strasse (715)
Seat 4: MastrNSlave (1,755)
Seat 5: destiny7 (1,925)
Seat 6: fishhawker (2,485)
Seat 7: bassviol (2,355)
Seat 8: ohflmo (3,660)
Crazy_Wasian antes 15
Strasse antes 15
MastrNSlave antes 15
destiny7 antes 15
fishhawker antes 15
bassviol antes 15
ohflmo antes 15
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Crazy_Wasian [9d]
Dealt to Strasse [Kc 9c] [Kh]
Dealt to MastrNSlave [5d]
Dealt to destiny7 [7d]
Dealt to fishhawker [8d]
Dealt to bassviol [4c]
Dealt to ohflmo [5h]
bassviol is low with [4c]
bassviol brings in for 25
ohflmo has 15 seconds left to act
ohflmo folds
Crazy_Wasian completes it to 80
Strasse raises to 160
MastrNSlave calls 160
destiny7 folds
fishhawker calls 160
bassviol folds
Crazy_Wasian calls 80
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Crazy_Wasian [9d] [5c]
Dealt to Strasse [Kc 9c Kh] [7h]
Dealt to MastrNSlave [5d] [Qh]
Dealt to fishhawker [8d] [Th]
Strasse bets 80
MastrNSlave folds
fishhawker calls 80
Crazy_Wasian has 15 seconds left to act
Crazy_Wasian folds
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Strasse [Kc 9c Kh 7h] [Ts]
Dealt to fishhawker [8d Th] [6h]
Strasse bets 160
fishhawker calls 160
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Strasse [Kc 9c Kh 7h Ts] [As]
Dealt to fishhawker [8d Th 6h] [Tc]
fishhawker bets 160
Strasse raises to 300, and is all in
fishhawker calls 140
Strasse shows [Kc 9c Kh 7h Ts As]
fishhawker shows [3h 8c 8d Th 6h Tc]
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Strasse [Kc 9c Kh 7h Ts As] [4d]
Dealt to fishhawker [3h 8c 8d Th 6h Tc] [Jd]
Strasse shows [Kc 9c Kh 7h Ts As 4d] a pair of Kings, for high
fishhawker shows [3h 8c 8d Th 6h Tc Jd] two pair, Tens and Eights, for high
fishhawker wins the pot (1,850) with two pair, Tens and Eights
Strasse: lol
Strasse stands up
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Crazy_Wasian folded on 4th St.
Seat 3: Strasse showed [Kc 9c Kh 7h Ts As 4d] and lost with HI: a pair of Kings
Seat 4: MastrNSlave folded on 4th St.
Seat 5: destiny7 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: fishhawker showed [3h 8c 8d Th 6h Tc Jd] and won (1,850) with HI: two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 7: bassviol folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: ohflmo folded on 3rd St.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject:

I think you played it fine. Just got unlucky.

Muskogee Mike · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject:

I'm no stud expert, especially when it comes to hi/lo, but was it smart for that guy to stay in with just a pair of 8s? Is that standard? You were betting the entire way. He only had a three flush and three straight on fifth street, and you had several of his outs for those. You also picked up one of his 10s on fifth. I guess it's possible he thought you were just on a flush draw, but, correct me if I'm wrong, but his play was bad.

As far as the way you played it, I don't know how else you could have played it. I hate playing big pairs like this in stud, b/c they almost have to improve to win, yet rarely do. But you had to keep betting; you can't give him any free cards with a coordinated board like that.

On sixth, there wasn't much you could do b/c you can't fold now. 300 chips isn't going to do you much good on the next hand.

byamamoto1 · Bay Area Bidness Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 2175

no it was terrible for the opponent to stay in with simply a pair of 8's there. What else could the guy put strasse on? he's got to figure he's behind and drawing from behind, especially since Strasse is raising with a K up. the villain also has a 3 under, with a possible back-door low, but a supremely low kicker. even if the guy hits two pair, it likely can be dominated by strasse if he catches just another pair. the guy just got lucky and won after chasing.

NateGreatAA · High Card Joined: 02 Sep 2007 Posts: 2

I would have saved my last 140 at 6th, knowing he probably had two pair, hoping he would check 7th and you would still have something to play another hand with if you didnt hit second pair to get kings up. I like playing shortstacked though (and I am darn good at getting that way), as opposed to the all-in. I know this is in disagreement with some expert authors, but he wouldn't know if you hit 7th so would call anyway for pot odds.

thomsen6 · High Card Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 9

Like the idea of saving the 140 for 7th in case he also just checks 7th u can save 140 for another hand. And if u hit your 2nd pair on 7th, there is no way he will fold his hand if u put in the last 140.

Still 140 is 140 , and way more than 0.
In the long run the fewer times u loose that extra 140, it ads up to a lot.
Lets say u have that same scenario 100 times a year, its a total of 14000 saved. Thats a lot.

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4117 Location: ROK

So you're saying he should fold his 2.6:1 shot when he is getting more then 12:1. Making that call is an avg profit of 658, compared to "saving" 140. So after 100 times he has 65,800 compared to the 14,000 from not making that call. Meaning that folding this over 100 hands is costing him 51,800 chips. Good logic behind folding though Rolling Eyes

thomsen6 · High Card Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 9

wauw people really read what they want!!!!!
I never said the word fold! Where did u read that?

Try and read it again...

Strasse · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject:

You guys are morons. There is no way he checks the river if he actually has two pair. He either started w/ 3 low, chased, and now has 4 low and a pair, in which case my kings are still ahead, and pushing in the rest is good, or he started with a pair, and now has 2 pair. If he has two pair, he is betting the river, in which case the rest is going in anyways. Here is the reason he is betting the river: I either have 1 pair or two pair/3 of a kind/boat by the river, and if I only have 1 pair, I'm checking behind on the river. If I have any of the other hands and he checks, I'm betting, which means the money is going in no matter what if I have him beat, whether its because he bets, or he checks and I bet. I can't raise him on the river if I have him beat, so he loses the same whether he checks or bets and I have him beat. If I don't have him beat, he wins less when he checks than when he bets, therefore it would be stupid for him to do anything but bet on the river, which means there is no way I'm saving the 140 if I'm beat, which means putting it in on 6th is standard.

thomsen6 · High Card Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 9

Big Slick x13x · Forum Icon Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 4117 Location: ROK

Strasse · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject:

thomsen6 · High Card Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 9

thomsen6 · High Card Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 9

Strasse · Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject:

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