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IAmTheDonk · Pair Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 43

I played Limit cash games for first time at my local casino last night. It started as a very good night, flopped quads, flopped flushes, etc. I bought in for $80 and was playing 4/8 limit. Eventually i got up to about $280. Then things started going bad, missed many many draws, nut flushes were cracked, etc. I finished up losing my entire stack to leave $80 down. Should i have left say at around $200 wen things were going badly?? wat is everyones opinion on this matter?

monnot · Straight Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 101

I can not tell you how many times i've been there. It seems no one here really has any live limit experience, but I think I can help. I just recently moved up to 6/12 but have been playing 4/8 for a long time now.

My guess is you started playing tight, and were getting pretty lucky, but probally playing well too. And when you hit you will get paided off very nicely in 4/8 (lot of loose players). Then as you got up you also loosened up. You were on a rush and as you said missed draws. Which means playing too many hands most likely.

What has helped me the most, is learning patience. When I get up I sometimes have to force myslef to lay down hands, and to remember that if im calling with 8To I am losing money. STAY TIGHT. Raise your good hands, call with good draws in position, but do not start limping with crap.

Also I would like to mention buying in 80 at 4/8 is pretty short. One thing you could try (I do this occasionally) is set aside some money , like 40 from your 280 and tell yourself when you lose this 40 your done, but if you don't keep going.

mathman1115 · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject:

It's a matter of evaluating how well you were playing and how well your opponents were playing. You said you were up to $280, hitting quads and draws and whatnot. Ok, thats all well and good, but were the players paying you off with much weaker hands? Were they overplaying weak hands? Anyone can win with quads, but were you playing in such a way that you got maximum value out of your big hands?
My point is, if you were outplaying your opponents and they were very weak, then there is no reason to get up and leave just because you were winning and wanted to "secure" a nice payday. Do not think that just because you hit quads and a couple other good hands that all of your "luck" was done for the day. The cards do not know this hand what happened last hand.
In contrast, if you were up to $280 because you overplayed a weak hand and then hit a lucky river or two, then you may consider leaving. You aren't playing well, and are fortunate enough to come a way with a nice profit.
My point is, evaluate why you are winning. If its because you are playing well and your opponents aren't, then staying at the table is a good idea, otherwise you will be leaving a profitable situation.
The same theory can be applied to when you are losing as well

POKRWHORE · High Card Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 1

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:55 am Post subject:

if you're playing well you should keep playing.

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:57 am Post subject:

there's no money amount i keep in my head. however if i start running bad and catching a few bad beats in a row i just get up and leave to avoid losing more to bad luck or even tilting and playing bad.

IAmTheDonk · Pair Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 43

thanks guys. i feel my problem is boredom during live play. i generally multitable online and getting used to play far less hands has its toll. at the start i feel i can remain focused and play tight, etc. as time goes on, whether i win or lose i tend to loosen up. i played live again on the weekend, again to have a brilliant start, playing well, then only to lose it all, trying to make way too many plays to steal pots. however, i was getting called down by retards with bottom pr bottom kicker on a 4 flush board... again i lost my entire buyin after being up about 2.5x my buyin. i think i need something to keep me entertained so i dont donk off all my money

T_Rumble · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject:

I started playing live well before I ever played online and I think I can help you out. First, you need to be buying in for more money at 4/8 or move down to 2/4 if they have it. To make sure I have plenty of money to back me up if I start off poorly I usually sit with 200 at a 4/8 table. I realize that this is probably higher than most people sit with at the 4/8 but it really does help. It give you a mental advantage seeing all those 1 dollar chips in front of you and it keeps you from playing scared (although it doesn't seem like you have a problem with this). Second, I can pretty much guarantee you're playing to loose. It seems like since when you first sit down the other players at the table don't have a feel for your style, which I'm guessing is close to LAG, but then later start to catch on to what you're doing and calling you more when before they wouldn't. Its amazing how quickly you can blow 200 dollars in a few pots at the 4/8. You mention that you have a hard time keeping yourself entertained which seems to me like entertainment equals playing hands to you. Because you play mostly online and 4 table, you're playing more hands than just one tabling it at the local brick and mortar. If you're looking for entertainment only, then figure you're going to donk away your buy-in. If you're looking to improve your game then start equating entertainment with paying as much attention to your opponents as possible to figure out the perfect strategy against each and every one of them. Watch every hand and try and put people on hands even if you're not in the pot. Watch for tells and see if you can pick up on any. Practice knowing exactly how much money is in the pot at all times because in live games you don't have the luxury of an exact pot count displayed right before your eyes. Once you can know the exact amount thats in the pot try and figure out if people are calling draws with the correct odds. Know if you're calling on draws with the correct odds. Because live players are generally less informed than internet players you will be surprised as to how many people will call draws with far worse than the correct odds. These are the people you can value bet your hands to death and get paid off generously in the long run. You will have downswings, but with proper bankroll management and strong fundamentals (there is really no reason to get tricky at live 4/8 because the players just aren't that observant) you can make some decent money.

Hope this helps......T_Rumble

fire_eyes_2k · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject:

For those that play online & live, what's the general rule about limits?

I play mostly 2/4 and 3/6 online with the occasional bit of 5/10 and have made a profit in each. I've heard that 2/4 live games are about the same standard as 10c/20c online games with about 6 to each flop. So when I go to AC or Vegas (maybe September) should I be shooting for the 10/20 games or is that too high. Bankroll isnt an issue but I'd like a level where I won't be hideously outclassed but opponents can still fold their J7s for a pf cap. Suggestions?

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3826

I'd say if you can do well at 2/4 and 3/6 online, you could probably take that game to 8/16+ games live and do well. 2/4 and or 3/6 live are generally the lowest levels and it's where the "any two cards" donkeys live.

I don't think people really start taking the game seriously until about 8/16 or 10/20 live. Just keep in mind that since you won't be able to multi-table, you'll potentially run into a "longer" long-run. You might have sessions where you just can't connect with squat or get action when you do connect.

monnot · Straight Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 101

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