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Honest_Rob · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: The High Low Country

How should I play a hand like this in HiLo. Should I fold on third? Please critique all streets regardless. Thanks.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3105082519: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (23720330), Table 1 - 80/160 Ante 15 - Limit Stud H/L - 18:52:19 ET - 2007/07/30
Seat 1: Hefty Mike (1,560)
Seat 2: Honest_Rob (1,435)
Seat 3: pokerpussAA (2,635)
Seat 4: minnesotatex (1,390)
Seat 5: PioneerDB3 (1,265)
Seat 6: rancher7979 (1,055)
Seat 7: CC BAXTER (2,660)
Hefty Mike antes 15
Honest_Rob antes 15
pokerpussAA antes 15
minnesotatex antes 15
PioneerDB3 antes 15
rancher7979 antes 15
CC BAXTER antes 15
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Hefty Mike [3s]
Dealt to Honest_Rob [As Ad] [Th]
Dealt to pokerpussAA [Kd]
Dealt to minnesotatex [8h]
Dealt to PioneerDB3 [2c]
Dealt to rancher7979 [4h]
Dealt to CC BAXTER [Qs]
PioneerDB3 is low with [2c]
PioneerDB3 completes it to 80
rancher7979 calls 80
CC BAXTER has 15 seconds left to act
CC BAXTER folds
Hefty Mike folds
Honest_Rob calls 80
pokerpussAA folds
minnesotatex folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [As Ad Th] [9h]
Dealt to PioneerDB3 [2c] [2h]
Dealt to rancher7979 [4h] [Jc]
PioneerDB3 bets 80
rancher7979 folds
Honest_Rob calls 80
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [As Ad Th 9h] [Ac]
Dealt to PioneerDB3 [2c 2h] [Td]
PioneerDB3 bets 160
Honest_Rob calls 160
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [As Ad Th 9h Ac] [7s]
Dealt to PioneerDB3 [2c 2h Td] [7c]
PioneerDB3 bets 160
Honest_Rob raises to 320
PioneerDB3 calls 160
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Honest_Rob [As Ad Th 9h Ac 7s] [2s]
PioneerDB3 checks
Honest_Rob bets 160
PioneerDB3 calls 160

Strasse · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject:

I would actually consider raising on 3rd. If this was hi/lo w/ no qualifier, this would be a different story. Otherwise, played well.

*EDIT* I would actually prefer a raise on 5th. The reason, is that by just calling, you give him a free card, so that if he has something like 234, he could pick up a low draw on 6th, and hit it on 7th, only giving you half the pot. In hi/lo games, your objective is to scoop pots. Since you have no possible low, the best way for you to scoop is to induce a fold. If he started w/ a hand like 234, and is just trying to bluff you, a raise on 5th will surely get him to fold.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the reply. I figured he had three low cards so when he paired 4th then hit the T on fifth I was thinking really his only shot at any part of the pot is to hit a runner runner low. I didn't want him to fold. I just called hoping he would fire again on sixth so I could raise him. Then bet at him again on 7th. Am I underestimating how often he'll hit his runner runner low?

Strasse · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject:

IDK, maybe I'm overestimating. What if he has 234s though? There is plenty of runner runner for him to hit. However, there is a HUGE difference between scooping a pot, and splitting a slightly larger one HU. I'm also interested to hear other opinions, stud8 is far from my best game.

Zophar · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject:

You can't fold this on 3rd, I think you should raise it.

Normally I'd raise 4th street here, however, smooth calling is acceptable sometimes, if you plan on being aggressive later in the hand. With another 2 burned it's highly unlikely that he's made a set on 4th. At best he has a weak 2 pair. So basically he's betting into you w/a likely awful hand and a long way to go. He's going to brick high about 40% of the time, so letting one go for cheap is ok because of the value you'll get out of 2 betting during the higher betting round. Unless he's a maniac, you'll only get one opportunity at a raise.

You have to raise 5th. No question. You let him see 5th for cheap and given his board, it's time to make the horribly representing donkbettor have it. He's got almost nothing right now expect for a likely pair of 2's. Even if he hit's a low card, I'd still raise in most cases because you've pretty much got the high locked. He'd have to run perfect to scoop low and almost perfect to scoop high.

Remember, he's the bring in, so his range is probably weaker than someone entering the hand voluntarily.

Strasse · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject:

Z, you missed that he completed the bring in, meaning that his range probably isn't as weak as a regular bring in.

Zophar · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject:

Yes I did miss that. Then his range becomes a bit more clear. Likely 3 low with an A or K's in the hole. Given this, I still follow through the same.

Honest_Rob · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:

Zophar,
So why raise 5th instead of on 6th? Can't I slowplay a little here and try to gain extra bets? Like you said he has to pretty much run perfect to get a high or a low to win any part of the pot. Doesn't raising on 5th increase the chance that he folds there or before 7th? Shouldn't I want him hanging around putting more money into the pot?

Zophar · Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject:

Honest_Rob · Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:05 am Post subject:

Thats a good point. I guess it depends on the opponent. If it's a total dummy who thinks he can just bet without considering the hands so much then maybe just call but a lot of players raise on 5th.

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