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Lip92 · High Card Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 19

do you think it would have mattered if I had bet on the flop, and not slow play?

Hold'em Limit ($0.10/$0.20)
Table 'Themis IV' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: lip92 ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 2: topgun2005 ($5.85 in chips)
Seat 3: SharpLuck ($2.40 in chips)
Seat 4: dlscwbsfan ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 5: bdgrish ($4.40 in chips)
Seat 6: sUpEr BlUnT ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 7: scoobieesnax ($0.85 in chips)
Seat 8: charko ($2.85 in chips)
Seat 10: Mr Joker44 ($8.10 in chips)
Mr Joker44: posts small blind $0.05
lip92: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lip92 [9d Ad]
topgun2005: folds
SharpLuck: folds
bossrd2 has returned
dlscwbsfan: folds
bdgrish: folds
sUpEr BlUnT: calls $0.10
scoobieesnax: calls $0.10
charko: folds
Mr Joker44: calls $0.05
lip92: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s Ts 9h]
Mr Joker44: checks
lip92: checks
sUpEr BlUnT: checks
scoobieesnax: checks
*** TURN *** [9s Ts 9h] [Ks]
Mr Joker44: checks
lip92: bets $0.20
sUpEr BlUnT: raises $0.20 to $0.40
scoobieesnax: folds
Mr Joker44: folds
lip92: calls $0.20
*** RIVER *** [9s Ts 9h Ks] [3h]
lip92: checks
sUpEr BlUnT: bets $0.20
lip92: calls $0.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sUpEr BlUnT: shows [8s 4s] (a flush, King high)
lip92: mucks hand
sUpEr BlUnT collected $1.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.60 | Rake $0.05
Board [9s Ts 9h Ks 3h]
Seat 1: lip92 (big blind) mucked [9d Ad]
Seat 2: topgun2005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: SharpLuck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dlscwbsfan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bdgrish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sUpEr BlUnT showed [8s 4s] and won ($1.55) with a flush, King high
Seat 7: scoobieesnax folded on the Turn
Seat 8: charko (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Mr Joker44 (small blind) folded on the Turn

AlexScottUK · Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject:

I think you usually should bet on the flop with this hand - or if you think you can thin the field a little by checkraising, try that.

However, in this particular case I don't think your opponent was folding his flush draw. I mean, a guy who doesn't fold 8-4s before the flop isn't going to fold a flush draw with two cards to come, is he?

Lip92 · High Card Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 19

not bloody likely
thanks mate

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:56 am Post subject:

Yeah, he wasn't gonna fold his flush draw to one more bet. So even though you should have bet there you actually saved yourself a bet. I don't think check-raising works in low limit holdem. You actually allow more people in the pot by not betting out.

It's very hard to protect your hand in limit. And usually people are getting the proper odds to chase, so there's nothing you can do about it.

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

Check-raising to protect your hand in limit is most successful when the initial better will be to your right. For example, you're first to act and everyone checks it around to the button who bets. You raise that bet and force everyone else to call 2 bets cold which lowers their odds a great deal. Now they might not have the correct odds to call where they would have had them before. It's even more successful if you manage to do it on the turn, where the bet size doubles.

If the initial better is going to be to your immediate left, check raising isn't useful for defense (although it will be useful for pot building.) It'd be better to bet out and hope someone raises, forcing everyone else to call 2 bets cold and *hopefully* get improper odds.

To the OP: In this case it wasn't going to matter if you bet out or checked.

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