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RaidenRadio · Straight Flush Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 424

This is day 3 of really studying Limit Hold Em. This hand really made me think. Should I have re-raised the turn? I would think he would bet the flop with a club draw but was maybe was just taking the free card. Did I play this poorly?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2874752754: Table Ruby Hills - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 4:01:12 ET - 2007/07/07
Seat 1: kyowens222 ($41.50)
Seat 2: Shanaynay9 ($11.15)
Seat 5: RaidenRadio ($10.45)
Seat 6: NessexHouse ($10.15)
Seat 7: Whats-a-nutz ($24.40)
Seat 8: IMGamble ($13.35)
Seat 9: Big_Bobo ($11.60)
Shanaynay9 posts the small blind of $0.10
RaidenRadio posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RaidenRadio [2h 2c]
NessexHouse folds
Whats-a-nutz folds
IMGamble calls $0.25
Big_Bobo folds
kyowens222 folds
Shanaynay9 folds
RaidenRadio checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc 6c 2s]
RaidenRadio checks
IMGamble checks
*** TURN *** [Kc 6c 2s] [7c]
RaidenRadio bets $0.50
IMGamble raises to $1
RaidenRadio calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Kc 6c 2s 7c] [3s]
RaidenRadio checks
IMGamble bets $0.50
RaidenRadio calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
IMGamble shows [Kh Jc] a pair of Kings
RaidenRadio shows [2h 2c] three of a kind, Twos
RaidenRadio wins the pot ($3.45) with three of a kind, Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.60 | Rake $0.15
Board: [Kc 6c 2s 7c 3s]
Seat 1: kyowens222 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Shanaynay9 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: RaidenRadio (big blind) showed [2h 2c] and won ($3.45) with three of a kind, Twos
Seat 6: NessexHouse didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Whats-a-nutz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: IMGamble showed [Kh Jc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: Big_Bobo didn't bet (folded)

RaidenRadio · Straight Flush Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 424

Wow, while I'm here and asking advice. Why do all my sessions go exactly the same way?

Start playing solid
Build up to 1.5 my buy-in
Get AA utg and lose to a random hand
Get coolered til my buy-in is gone

roxx · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:50 am Post subject:

Your actually playing fairly solid L HE. Maybe a little too conservative, but not too tight. A re-raise on the turn would have definitely been the decision maker for me. You really have to put guys to the test in the lower limts like this, more often than not they just read sklansky's book and are trying to test ur hand when the flush draw came out. More advanced players would wait for you to reveal the strength of your hand.

So I would have re-raided the turn, if he had I flush he would definitly bump it up again, if had only 1 club he may just call, but if he dosent have anything he'll fold. Now just calling on the river after he bet into you was the correct play, now he is trying to represent that he put you on the nut flush draw and knows you didnt make it.( Meaning he could have a made hand) So just calling was a good move to save chips just in case that of occasion that he was slow-rolling you by just calling your re-raise on the turn.

Hope this helps

-roxx

BBCOACH44 · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:47 am Post subject:

I agree with a push here.....
Be a little more aggressive in this situation.... 8)

ridic x · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject:

Bet the flop, 3 bet the turn, bet the river.

Sorry I'll elaborate a bit.

Full Tilt Poker Game #2874752754: Table Ruby Hills - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 4:01:12 ET - 2007/07/07
Seat 1: kyowens222 ($41.50)
Seat 2: Shanaynay9 ($11.15)
Seat 5: RaidenRadio ($10.45)
Seat 6: NessexHouse ($10.15)
Seat 7: Whats-a-nutz ($24.40)
Seat 8: IMGamble ($13.35)
Seat 9: Big_Bobo ($11.60)
Shanaynay9 posts the small blind of $0.10
RaidenRadio posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RaidenRadio [2h 2c]
NessexHouse folds
Whats-a-nutz folds
IMGamble calls $0.25
Big_Bobo folds
kyowens222 folds
Shanaynay9 folds
RaidenRadio checks

I don't mind the check here although raising isn't a bad option either seeing as he just limped which to me says I don't have a hand I'm comfortable playing in a raised pot, the pot is HU and raising will give you control of the hand, if you raise though you pretty much have to lead the flop, either course of action is ok though.

*** FLOP *** [Kc 6c 2s]
RaidenRadio checks
IMGamble checks

Great you flopped your set. Why check on a drawing board? Even if you bet he's not laying down a club draw or a king, get value out of your set here and make him pay to draw. As it was though you checked.

*** TURN *** [Kc 6c 2s] [7c]
RaidenRadio bets $0.50
IMGamble raises to $1
RaidenRadio calls $0.50

Ok so here I don't mind the draw completing, although you have no info at all, so you bet and get raised, in this spot I still 3 bet, you can't be sure the club hit him, he may have picked up 2 pair, heck he may be slowplaying a king he may have a hand like 88. if you get capped you see the river b/c as I said he could have any number of hands and only a small portion of them beat you and if you boat up you are getting paid if he has that flush.

*** RIVER *** [Kc 6c 2s 7c] [3s]
RaidenRadio checks
IMGamble bets $0.50
RaidenRadio calls $0.50

So as you played it this river comes out, no club, I suggest leading, if you get raised you make the crying call at this level and you will still have the best hand most of the time and he would do that with 2 pair and even just the K ect. Now as I was saying before if you got capped on the turn, it makes it a little harder and I still probly check/call b/c I feel I will win this pot enough to make it a profitable call.

*** SHOW DOWN ***
IMGamble shows [Kh Jc] a pair of Kings
RaidenRadio shows [2h 2c] three of a kind, Twos
RaidenRadio wins the pot ($3.45) with three of a kind, Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.60 | Rake $0.15
Board: [Kc 6c 2s 7c 3s]
Seat 1: kyowens222 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Shanaynay9 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: RaidenRadio (big blind) showed [2h 2c] and won ($3.45) with three of a kind, Twos
Seat 6: NessexHouse didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Whats-a-nutz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: IMGamble showed [Kh Jc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: Big_Bobo didn't bet (folded)

ridic x · Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject:

I know I didn't flop a set here but this illistrates a few things, the power of Pre flop and flop aggression, allowed me to show down a marginal hand which was best. It also shows how people at the micro levels limp with total junk they have no business playing.

As I said if you raise with this type of hand try and have it a HU pot and it's nearly a must to lead the flop, as you see he called my flop bet with no pair, no draw, however the hand that made most sense for him to call my flop bet was another small to med PP or a flush-draw. I checked the turn here when the draw completed, now here he thought for a second and then checked behind, to me this says I don't have a flush or TP and I'm scared I'm gonna get check/raised if I take a stab. Now with the range of hands I have, the PP and now have ruled out the flush draw on the flop, although he may have picked one up on the turn, when the ten hits despite it being an over-card it just doesn't fit into the range of hands I think he could have and I don't bet b/c he's not going to call a river bet with a worse hand and the only way he calls is if he has me beat. As the hand played my PF and flop aggression allowed me to showdown an otherwise marginal hand and pick up 3 bets, that could've easily gone the other way.

Full Tilt Poker Game #2886950565: Table Valley - $1/$2 - Limit Hold'em - 14:05:20 ET - 2007/07/08
Seat 1: dktaylor21 ($25.50)
Seat 2: ralphieG7 ($133.25)
Seat 3: denvermint ($34.25)
Seat 4: campsUp ($95.50)
Seat 5: JEM901 ($26.75)
Seat 6: ridic x ($65.50)
Seat 7: mcounce ($100.25)
Seat 8: judusfergason ($35)
Seat 9: webpolk ($44), is sitting out
JEM901 posts the small blind of $0.50
ridic x posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ridic x [6s 6h]
mcounce has 15 seconds left to act
mcounce folds
judusfergason folds
dktaylor21 calls $1
ralphieG7 folds
denvermint folds
campsUp folds
JEM901 folds
ridic x raises to $2
dktaylor21 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7c 3s]
ridic x bets $1
dktaylor21 calls $1
*** TURN *** [Kc 7c 3s] [5c]
ridic x checks
dktaylor21 checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7c 3s 5c] [Ts]
ridic x checks
dktaylor21 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ridic x shows [6s 6h] a pair of Sixes
dktaylor21 mucks
ridic x wins the pot ($6.25) with a pair of Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.50 | Rake $0.25
Board: [Kc 7c 3s 5c Ts]
Seat 1: dktaylor21 mucked [Jh 9c] - King Jack high
Seat 2: ralphieG7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: denvermint didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: campsUp (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: JEM901 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: ridic x (big blind) showed [6s 6h] and won ($6.25) with a pair of Sixes
Seat 7: mcounce didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: judusfergason didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: webpolk is sitting out

RaidenRadio · Straight Flush Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 424

Gross...

Full Tilt Poker Game #2893599301: Table Tesara Vista - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 1:40:43 ET - 2007/07/09
Seat 1: charlietuuna ($5.35)
Seat 2: grannyfrannie ($4.70)
Seat 3: ragcards ($5)
Seat 4: RaidenRadio ($9.15)
Seat 5: pia999 ($4.15)
Seat 6: leonidmax ($16.75)
Seat 7: stuh00pitup ($9.45)
Seat 8: blackjax112 ($20.80)
Seat 9: berbo777 ($6.20)
RaidenRadio posts the small blind of $0.10
pia999 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RaidenRadio [8c Ad]
leonidmax folds
stuh00pitup folds
blackjax112 folds
berbo777 folds
charlietuuna folds
grannyfrannie folds
RaidenRadio calls $0.15
pia999 raises to $0.50
RaidenRadio calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [As 5h 8s]
RaidenRadio checks
pia999 bets $0.25
RaidenRadio raises to $0.50
pia999 raises to $0.75
RaidenRadio calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [As 5h 8s] [3h]
RaidenRadio checks
pia999 bets $0.50
RaidenRadio raises to $1
pia999 calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [As 5h 8s 3h] [9s]
RaidenRadio bets $0.50
pia999 calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RaidenRadio shows [8c Ad] two pair, Aces and Eights
pia999 shows [Ac 9h] two pair, Aces and Nines
pia999 wins the pot ($5.25) with two pair, Aces and Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.50 | Rake $0.25
Board: [As 5h 8s 3h 9s]
Seat 1: charlietuuna didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: grannyfrannie (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: ragcards is sitting out
Seat 4: RaidenRadio (small blind) showed [8c Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 5: pia999 (big blind) showed [Ac 9h] and won ($5.25) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 6: leonidmax didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: stuh00pitup didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: blackjax112 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: berbo777 didn't bet (folded)

ridic x · Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:23 am Post subject:

If it folds to you and you are on the button, SB, or BB and hold an A,anything, please raise. Also cap that flop.

RaidenRadio · Straight Flush Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 424

This was right after QQ was snapped off by T9o on a board of K-K-T-4-T

Full Tilt Poker Game #2931912542: Table Emerald Tint - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 2:27:30 ET - 2007/07/13
Seat 1: BadBeatDuce ($4.05)
Seat 2: Matt_R ($16.60)
Seat 3: GraysonBR ($17.30)
Seat 4: JBriggs ($5.75)
Seat 5: VTRoll ($11.60)
Seat 6: lpc69 ($2.95)
Seat 7: vinnyDrama ($21.70)
Seat 8: RaidenRadio ($3.80)
Seat 9: PokSnuky ($11.40)
GraysonBR posts the small blind of $0.10
JBriggs posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RaidenRadio [Kc Kh]
VTRoll folds
lpc69 raises to $0.50
vinnyDrama folds
RaidenRadio raises to $0.75
PokSnuky folds
BadBeatDuce folds
Matt_R has 15 seconds left to act
Matt_R is sitting out
Matt_R has timed out
Matt_R folds
GraysonBR folds
JBriggs folds
lpc69 raises to $1
Matt_R has returned
RaidenRadio calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Jh Ad 5h]
lpc69 checks
RaidenRadio bets $0.25
lpc69 raises to $0.50
RaidenRadio calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Jh Ad 5h] [Jc]
lpc69 bets $0.50
RaidenRadio calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [Jh Ad 5h Jc] [9d]
lpc69 bets $0.50
RaidenRadio calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lpc69 shows [Qh As] two pair, Aces and Jacks
RaidenRadio shows [Kc Kh] two pair, Kings and Jacks
lpc69 wins the pot ($5.10) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.35 | Rake $0.25
Board: [Jh Ad 5h Jc 9d]
Seat 1: BadBeatDuce didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Matt_R (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: GraysonBR (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: JBriggs (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: VTRoll didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: lpc69 showed [Qh As] and won ($5.10) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 7: vinnyDrama didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: RaidenRadio showed [Kc Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 9: PokSnuky didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #2931916502: Table Emerald Tint - $0.25/$0.50 - Limit Hold'em - 2:30:13 ET - 2007/07/13
Seat 1: BadBeatDuce ($6.35)
Seat 2: Matt_R ($16.60)
Seat 3: GraysonBR ($18.95)
Seat 4: JBriggs ($3.90)
Seat 5: VTRoll ($11.10)
Seat 6: lpc69 ($3.80)
Seat 7: vinnyDrama ($21.45)
Seat 8: RaidenRadio ($1.05)
Seat 9: PokSnuky ($11.40)
vinnyDrama posts the small blind of $0.10
RaidenRadio posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RaidenRadio [Ad Ah]
PokSnuky has 15 seconds left to act
PokSnuky folds
BadBeatDuce folds
Matt_R folds
GraysonBR raises to $0.50
JBriggs calls $0.50
VTRoll calls $0.50
lpc69 calls $0.50
vinnyDrama folds
RaidenRadio raises to $0.75
GraysonBR calls $0.25
JBriggs calls $0.25
VTRoll calls $0.25
lpc69 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Jd 8s Kd]
RaidenRadio bets $0.25
GraysonBR raises to $0.50
JBriggs folds
VTRoll folds
lpc69 folds
lpc69 stands up
RaidenRadio calls $0.05, and is all in
GraysonBR shows [Td Kc]
RaidenRadio shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of $0.20 returned to GraysonBR
*** TURN *** [Jd 8s Kd] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 8s Kd 4h] [Th]
GraysonBR shows two pair, Kings and Tens
RaidenRadio shows a pair of Aces
GraysonBR wins the pot ($4.25) with two pair, Kings and Tens
RaidenRadio is sitting out
RaidenRadio: lol!!!
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.45 | Rake $0.20
Board: [Jd 8s Kd 4h Th]
Seat 1: BadBeatDuce didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Matt_R didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: GraysonBR showed [Td Kc] and won ($4.25) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 4: JBriggs folded on the Flop
Seat 5: VTRoll folded on the Flop
Seat 6: lpc69 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: vinnyDrama (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: RaidenRadio (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: PokSnuky didn't bet (folded)

Through 7 sessions of around 14 hours I've had AA 4 times and lost 4 times.

ridic x · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject:

Raiden, first off AA is just one pair. Second on the KK hand, I 3 bet that flop personally, most times when you get check/raised on the flop it's not a sign of strength however IMO if you 3 bet and then get capped he can only do that if he holds a hand that is as strong or stronger than an ace and despite the pot odds at that point you can safely fold. After the flop you just became a major calling station, you cannot do that, especially when the board pairs, that hand was a spew.

The second hand with AA, against that many people, it's hard to win with just one pair and you didn't have any money left. So you can't really complain.

You also have to remember that the swings in limit are worse, lemme repeat, WORSE, than in NL. It's not unusual for me to swing 50-100 bets at times, I'll rush real hard, then variance will catch up. If you're not ready for the swings, you will felt your roll quickly. I did it before when I first played 2-4, I'm no rich man so watching swings of a couple hundred screwed with my mind and game. It's a hard thing to do but view it as bets not money and just try to play +EV good decision poker, remember despite making the correct decisions you will not always win.

Keep posting HH's and listen to the advice given. Also if you feel yourself tilting, I cannot stress this enough just stop playing. Also do not let your ego get involved in your play, if you get bluffed, you get bluffed. Don't be stubborn. Honestly that's probably the hardest thing to do and I still find myself at times being hard-headed it's -EV and will drive you nuts.

HuJwang · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject:

HuJwang · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject:

ridic x · Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject:

RaidenRadio · Straight Flush Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 424

Thanks for the advice guys. I'm really not pissed about the KK/AA thing. It was one buy-in and the AA was just finishing off that buy-in. Still tooling around, not playing more than 1 buy-in at a time.

I just found it funny that in 13 hours of limit play I am 0 for 4 with AA. Also funny to get QQ, KK, and AA cracked in the span of 10 hands. Second time that's happened to me in the last year. The first time was at a final table at the Taj in AC.

ridic x · Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject:

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